
Scott Alexander pushes back against the argument that building more housing in a city will reduce housing prices in that city.
He begins by noting that housing costs tend to be higher in places that are relatively dense, such as New York and San Francisco. He is aware that this argument is subject to the “reverse causality” issue, which I call “reasoning from a price change.” Consider the graph that he provides:
He is aware that the pattern above may show an upward sloping supply curve, not an upward sloping demand curve. But he nonetheless suggests that it’s probably an upward sloping demand curve, and that building more housing in Oakland would make Oakland so much more desirable that prices actually rise, despite the greater supply of housing. I have two problems with this sort of argument.
First, I doubt that it’s true. It is certainly the case that building more housing can make a city more desirable, and that this effect could be so strong that it overwhelms the price depressing impact of a greater quantity supplied. But studies suggest that this is not generally the case.
Texas provides a nice case study. Among Texas’s big metro areas, Austin has the tightest restrictions on building and Houston is the most willing to allow dense infill development. Even though Houston is the larger city, house prices are far higher in Austin:
Houston pretty much describes the “Oakland with more housing” outcome that Alexander views as somewhat far-fetched. Only in this case, it’s Austin with more housing. Alexander seems too quick to accept the, “If you build it they will come” idea—that you can build more housing and thereby boost demand so much that prices actually rise.
Alexander relies on the following intuition:
Matt Yglesias tries to debunk the claim that building more houses raises local house prices. He presents several studies showing that, at least on the marginal street-by-street level, this isn’t true.
I’m nervous disagreeing with him, and his studies seem good. But I find looking for tiny effects on the margin less convincing than looking for gigantic effects at the tails. When you do that, he has to be wrong, right?
Here’s the problem with this argument. It mixes up population change due to economic effects such as the benefits of agglomeration, with population changes due to regulatory changes such as less strict zoning. If you look at things this way, then the stylized facts work against Alexander’s argument. Over the past 50 years, increasingly strict zoning has reduced housing construction on big cities like New York and San Francisco. As a result, their populations have increased by less than in cities with less strict zoning, such as Houston. If Alexander were correct, then the price gap between the tightly controlled cities on the coast and the more laissez-faire cities of Middle America should have shrunk over time. Instead, the price gap has widened. New York and San Francisco were always more expensive than other cites, but with tighter zoning and less new construction the gap has become far wider.
Nonetheless, I suspect that there are at least a few cases where Alexander’s argument would be correct, especially in the case where the new housing was luxury homes that replaced slums. For instance, if 100,000 homes in the (poorer) eastern half of Washington, DC were replaced with 120,000 luxury townhouses, then prices might rise (due to a lower crime rate). But even in that case, I believe Alexander would be drawing the wrong conclusion:
And it doesn’t violate laws of supply and demand; if Oakland built more houses, this would lower the price of housing everywhere except Oakland: people who previously planned to move to NYC or SF would move to Oakland instead, lowering NYC/SF demand (and therefore prices). The overall effect would be that nationwide housing prices would go down, just like you would expect. But the decline would be uneven, and one way it would be uneven would be that housing prices in Oakland would go up.
This isn’t an argument against YIMBYism. The effect of building more houses everywhere would be that prices would go down everywhere. But the effect of only building new houses in one city might not be that prices go down in that city.
This is a coordination problem: if every city upzones together, they can all get lower house prices, but each city can minimize its own prices by refusing to cooperate and hoping everyone else does the hard work. This theory is a good match for higher-level management like Gavin Newsom’s gubernatorial interventions in California.
Tell me why I’m wrong!
Alexander is implicitly viewing this outcome as a “problem” for the city that builds more housing. They must sacrifice so that the rest of the country can gain. But in his scenario, Oakland is better off. Indeed if it were not better off, then why would more people choose to live in Oakland? In order for it to be true that building more housing boosts housing prices, it must also be true that the quality of existing houses (including neighborhood effects) rises by more than enough to offset the increase in supply. That means the new housing construction must make Oakland such a desirable place to live that the amenity effect overwhelms the quantity effect.
You see the same fallacy with criticism of highway expansion projects. People will complain, “They added two more lanes to the freeway, but the traffic is worse than ever.” But that’s a wonderful result! If the traffic is worse than ever, despite many more people driving on the highway due to the extra lanes, then the welfare of commuters has increased for two reasons. First, more people benefit from using the highway. Second, the fact that they are willing to use it despite a higher time cost means that they value the service much more than before the expansion. Otherwise, the traffic would not be worse.
Of course, economic change always has winners and losers. Here’s how I would describe the impact of allowing more housing construction in Oakland, in the unlikely event that this did raise housing prices:
1. America would benefit.
2. Oakland would benefit.
3. Poor people in America would benefit, in aggregate.
4. Affluent people in America would benefit, in aggregate.
5. Homeowners in Oakland would benefit.
6. Some renters in Oakland would benefit (from a more economically dynamic city.)
7. Some renters in Oakland would suffer from higher rents.
In the much more likely case where new housing construction would lower prices, the impact described in #5 and #7 might reverse. Either way, there is no defensible argument for not building more housing in Oakland, regardless of the impact on price. If building more housing reduces its price, then there is a strong argument for allowing more housing construction. If building more housing raises its price, then the argument for more construction is even stronger.
READER COMMENTS
Brett
May 1 2023 at 5:53pm
Given how rich the US is in general, can you imagine how rich the area would be if Austin actually did grow into a Tokyo-sized megacity with tens of millions of inhabitants? The productivity, access to goods and services, and per capita GDP would just be phenomenal.
Scott Sumner
May 1 2023 at 6:05pm
Housing deregulation is probably the single most important low hanging fruit to boost our living standards. (Deregulating and privatizing health care and education would also be greatly beneficial.)
Brandon Berg
May 2 2023 at 1:35pm
On a related note, I have suspicion that high housing costs are a major driver of the recent socialism fad.
Matt
May 2 2023 at 7:27pm
Most definitely. Young people who are struggling think capitalism isn’t working for them. In fact capitalism is working great (even poor Americans often make more than middle class Portuguese), their problem is that the rent is too damn high.
jim
May 3 2023 at 9:01pm
The funny thing about the socialists is that they claim we need more regulation to protect us from the Big Capitalists – when, in fact, Big Capitalists **love** regulation because regulation protects Big Capitalists from Small Capitalist competition (by raising the bar to entry in a market), and gives Big Capital a stronger scale advantage, since it big companies can have large legal / compliance departments to navigate regulation while small landlords can’t.
So we bring on the socialist regulation to protect us from “capitalists” – and surprise! Things get worse! What do we need according to the socialists? More regulation! So that leads to may favorite saying:
Socialism: the more you have, the more you need.
Matthias
May 5 2023 at 3:32am
Btw, small capitalist aren’t the only heroes.
‘Big capitalists’ from other countries are also great to provide competition. (And that’s why protectionism is so popular.)
Similar, allowing big companies from other industries to branch out it also a great way to get more competition.
Remember when Walmart tried to offer bank accounts and the existing banks lobbied hard against it? (They have regulation agains that kind of not-staying-in-your-lane in the US..)
Richard W Fulmer
May 1 2023 at 7:25pm
By Mr. Alexander’s reasoning, we should not produce or import more food as the country’s population rises. If we do, more people will flood into the nation to be fed, thereby increasing food prices and offsetting any benefits of the additional food. If, instead, we were to slash both production and imports, people would flee the country. That would leave more food for those who are left leading to lower prices. Tell me why I’m wrong!
Scott Sumner
May 2 2023 at 10:40am
To be fair, he’s not criticizing YIMBY policies, just exploring the effect on local prices.
Legionnaire
May 4 2023 at 11:42am
He isn’t arguing we should not build housing. In your example, he would be dispassionately pointing out that offering free food would attract lots of starving people, which would increase the local, but decrease global, hunger. For people who do not like having lots of starving people near them, this is important info. (It’s not clear to me whether he is actually correct or not re housing)
Peter Gerdes
May 1 2023 at 8:19pm
I’m not sure Scott is viewing this as a problem (my sense of his personality is that if he’d wanted to imply that he would have said it). But while I agree with most of your argument, I don’t think your evidence about the price gap really proves your case. Not only are there other differences (blue vs red states) but it’s also explained by the reduced sense that big cities are crime ridden effectively increasing the returns to agglomeration over that time period (SF and NY are substantially more dense than these alternatives).
ssumner
May 2 2023 at 12:41am
“I’m not sure Scott is viewing this as a problem (my sense of his personality is that if he’d wanted to imply that he would have said it). ”
Perhaps, but he actually used the term “problem”.
I agree that reduced crime is a factor.
BJH
May 1 2023 at 8:53pm
Nick Rowe has a good old post on this subject FWIW
MarkW
May 2 2023 at 6:29am
I think the concern about new construction increasing prices is almost always a gentrification concern. So an expensive city has a neighborhood with some old, crappy, low-density housing that’s relatively cheap. This makes it a prime opportunity for dense infill redevelopment if a developer can get permission to build. But the new development that is neither old nor crappy will be more expensive. It will decrease housing costs overall (or slow the increase), but those effects will be spread out over a larger area.
The existing residents fiercely oppose the development because they’re going to have to move and it’s likely that there won’t be any other conveniently-located cheap-and-crappy housing for them and instead it’s likely they’ll have to leave the city or area entirely.
It seems that Coasian bargaining is what’s needed here in dense leftist cities (which is redundant). The city is going to demand x number of affordable units in every new development anyway. Existing residents who can prove they’ve lived in the neighborhood for some period of time should get first dibs on the affordable units. For these folks, affordable rent shouldn’t be calculated based on x percent of median income but rather on what they were paying in their old, crappy, cheap housing.
Scott Sumner
May 2 2023 at 10:42am
In this post, I explain why new housing should be “unaffordable”.
https://www.econlib.org/archives/2018/01/we_should_focus.html
MarkW
May 2 2023 at 12:27pm
Of course. But the reality is that the cities where we’re worried about dense infill housing skew heavily to the left and ‘affordable housing’ is one of the their main concerns. The people being displaced by new, denser housing probably are not going to be comforted by the idea that it provides some benefit to all working-class people like themselves when it so directly and negatively affects their actual selves. And these people in conjunction with activist groups are often able to exercise an effective veto over development. That’s why I suggest that buying them off might be the most effective approach.
steve
May 2 2023 at 2:09pm
I think you are correct in principle but in the short term, which could last quite a while, if demand is very high the wealthy will move out to even more expensive housing but what they leave behind may not drop in value for a while. On net, housing prices could keep rising even with more housing for a sustained period. (Your Bucks cost me a bit of cash in my pool since I had them all year long.)
Steve
Yuliyan
May 2 2023 at 10:15am
I am not so sure about the highway expansion example that you give. Drivers who did not use the highway before but chose to use it after the expansion are better off. However, drivers using the highway before might be worse off after the expansion due to the higher traffic. For your argument to be true, one must also assume that all drivers are identical. Before the expansion, each driver was indifferent between using the highway and using something else (so more drivers using the highway after the expansion implies that all drivers are better off).
Scott Sumner
May 3 2023 at 11:11pm
But why are more people using it despite the higher time cost? It must be “better” in some sense.
JJ
May 4 2023 at 10:56am
They’re using it because their Willingness To Pay (WTP) is still higher than the price (as measured in travel time) of the trip. But the net, i.e. WTP- price (this would be consumer surplus which is the measure used for welfare in transport econ) has decreased for existing drivers on the network
Knut P. Heen
May 2 2023 at 10:33am
The reason current owners are against new housing is because they know the price will fall. They would favor new housing if they thought prices would rise.
Rational expectations may however play a role in the market price of housing. Suppose the expectation is that 10 000 new units will be built and that the final decision is that only 5 000 new units will be built. We would expect the market price to increase when they announce 5 000 new units because the market expected 10 000 new units. It is easy to get confused in such a case.
Colin C
May 2 2023 at 3:27pm
Existing homeowners might oppose new development at a city or metro level because of concerns about property values, but at lot of neighborhood-level opposition is based on aesthetics and amenities. People living in low-density neighborhoods usually want them to remain low-density, even if it means a decrease in property values, because of what they value. In a lot of cases, upzoning actually increases property values as it makes the land more valuable, but it’s still opposed by locals because they don’t want change.
Bobster
May 3 2023 at 1:25pm
In California, another factor is property taxes are very low.
So cities get little revenue for permitting more housing, so they block it.
And then we so the dysfunctional system of hundreds of millions of dollars from other tax soruces going to subsidized housing.
Aslo, the complaints about traffic are true in California. The highway system is underbilt, so people cut through neighborhoods constantly.
Of course the progressive solution to this is to eliminate even more roads.
David Henderson
May 2 2023 at 10:54am
Excellent post, Scott!
One question: in your table, are the property tax rates in thousands of dollars annually? Also, are they the average or the median?
Scott Sumner
May 3 2023 at 11:13pm
I’m not certain, but I believe they are tax rates per $1000 assessed valuation. Probably average.
David Henderson
May 8 2023 at 5:35pm
Just saw this. Thanks.
Bobster
May 2 2023 at 12:50pm
Another thing to note about Austin and similar cities is they do cross subsidies (usually labeled including zoning).
They require developers include a certain percentage of affordable units in new housing.
This is a cross subsidy that makes market rate units more expensive, in many cases much more expensive, as they bear the full cost of the subsidies (as opposed to directly subsidizing affordable housing through general funds).
Austin still builds a lot, but it’s median rent is almost twice as much as Houston and Dallas who don’t do cross subsidies.
Dale Doback
May 2 2023 at 8:12pm
I agree with everything except the analogy to highway expansion projects. Uncongested highways move way more commuters than congested ones and therefore offer higher utility. Highway expansions are hugely expensive and probably terrible public investments. Removing or relaxing zoning is free and offers huge public benefits.
Bobster
May 3 2023 at 12:09am
Highways are great investments
The average Los Angeles commuter spends an extra 2 weeks compared to a similar commuter in Texas, costing trillions of dollars.
The opposition to highways is ideological with some questionable assertions about induced demand.
The demand is already there.
Dale Doback
May 3 2023 at 9:32am
It’s not ideology. A two lane highway moves more people than a larger one because it reduces accidents which are the source of major congestion.
Bobster
May 3 2023 at 1:23pm
I don’t think accidents are the major source of congestion
Phil H
May 2 2023 at 10:48pm
I think I agree with all the conclusions of this post. I just don’t agree that it’s a successful rebuttal of what Scott Alexander says. I think I’ve found why:
“It mixes up population change due to economic effects such as the benefits of agglomeration, with population changes due to regulatory changes such as less strict zoning.”
This seems to be correct to me – and the exact reason why SA is right. Because those two things are mixed up by reality. Agglomeration is the same thing as a population change. So, to the extent that a regulatory change works and creates higher density, it creates higher agglomeration, and the economic effects follow (including higher house prices).
SA’s point is not a mistake, mixing up those two separate things. It’s an insight, that those two things are the same.
Scott Sumner
May 3 2023 at 11:16pm
I disagree. I think deregulation reduces home prices, as it increases housing supply by more than it increases housing demand.
Thomas L Hutcheson
May 2 2023 at 11:36pm
Scott seem to have missed the actual point of the argument, that if a city removed regulatory obstacles to building denser residences that would certainly reduce prices in the relevant market which of course might NOT be in the immediate neighborhood. Scotty’s example is perfect. If DC allowed denser development in NW DC, the effect might well be felt more in SE Washington and nearby cities like Arlington and Bethesda. And even if that were the effect, DC would still benefit.
AMT
May 3 2023 at 4:28pm
Summer’s post is correct but I think misses an opportunity to emphasize the best criticism of Scott’s post. “Will building more housing reduce local housing costs?” Is a stupid question. We know that either it does, because of the laws of supply and demand, or if it does not, it is because the benefits of agglomeration are so massive they overwhelm this effect. However, spoiler alert, these agglomeration benefits are benefits…and benefits are good! We know society is necessarily better off overall as demonstrated by the increase in values despite the negative price pressure from increased supply. The highway expansion analogy is excellent.
PS. It seems clear Scott still thinks building more housing and deregulating would be good, and he is just focusing on the technical argument of whether prices would actually decrease. But the point is no one should care about that because it is unambiguously good anyway. It would be like saying “I’m not sure if I want that raise. It would put me into a higher tax bracket!” (Assuming no weird welfare cliffs create a >100% marginal tax rate for them)
Scott Sumner
May 3 2023 at 11:19pm
That was the point I was making at the end. I discussed that point more extensively in an earlier post.
Tim Peach
May 3 2023 at 8:55pm
I found a new blog that analyses zoning reforms. He just did a post on Minneapolis
tpeach
May 3 2023 at 9:31pm
This blog analyses zoning reforms and recently did a post on Minneapolis:
https://onefinaleffort.com/
Ted Durant
May 3 2023 at 10:44pm
Amateurs shouldn’t play Mozart, and amateurs shouldn’t take on housing economics. It’s a highly complex area with many local effects, making it treacherous to generalize across areas.
For example, maybe it’s true that construction costs are linear up to 40 stories in Manhattan. I’m not an engineer, but I did work in real estate development and I’m going to speculate that in San Francisco the marginal engineering costs to manage liquefaction risk start to bend the curve at a much lower height than 40 stories.
Scott’s representation of Scott’s graph does away with a very important element of Scott’s (the original) graph. The CA cities are all above the trend line, in some cases well above it. So, there’s plenty of room for home prices to come down and _improve_ the trend relationship.
Importantly both graphs leave off the question of density of what? People or housing? If housing density increases, and population (and household count) don’t, that means land usage in the whole are has just shifted away from housing and toward something else. All else equal, per unit housing costs should go down.
But all is never equal in this area. People are constantly aging, moving, getting richer, getting poorer, starting households, splitting households, changing preferences, … Places that are more dense are that way for two reasons: 1) they’re popular; 2) they’re geographically limited. Nothing is going to happen to make San Francisco bigger. Houston is constantly getting bigger by annexing the land around it. If San Francisco suddenly allows much more dense housing (and the engineering cost works out), will that just shift people around within the SF metro area, or will the rate of increase of SF Metro Area population increase as more people decide to move there because it’s now 6x income instead of 7x? I dunno. Probably some of each.
Meanwhile, prices in SF have started to come down again, anyway.
Ryan
May 4 2023 at 11:43pm
The graph is misleading.
Sure Manhattan is expensive but you can easily find a 2 bedroom in Jackson Heights for under $300k and still take the F train to work in the city.
In the Bay Area that price point will have you on the freeway 4+ hours every day.
Bob
May 4 2023 at 11:57pm
The argument against the highways isn’t really about the welfare of a wider highway not existing: Of course the wider highway increases value for land further away!. It just happens to be a far lower gain than it seems, as the rest of the car-centric infrastructure is occupying land that could be used in other ways which are more profitable.
We see this in many midwest cities: The improvements in car infrastructure made the suburbs very rich, but they made the downtowns far worse. So much in fact, that many of them are mostly undead. The fast, one way urban arterial might as well be banning crossing the street, or even sitting outside. Every parking space is land not used for something more valuable, and it’s hard to imagine worse urban land uses. And let’s not forget the practical effects of commuting on crime: We see cities with streets just empty enough to make crime profitable and unlikely to be policed.
If the urban highways, and the increased traffic, didn’t cause serious costs to trying to do business on foot, the highways would be a net gain in all cases. But it takes little time in any US cities to see that we have immense expenses on roadways, parking lots and such, while deriving very little value for the expense: And we get that because we have strongly subsidized highways.
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