Jon Murphy recently posted an explanation for why he is skeptical about the use of taxes to offset market failures. His reasoning was that the use of tax policy will inevitably be distorted by political incentives, and such incentives may not be at all aligned with what is socially beneficial.
I agree this is a major issue. One of my favorite recent explanations of this problem came from Scott Alexander. Alexander used the example of how in theory, taxes and subsidies could be used to nudge people into eating a healthier diet. But Alexander then goes on to note:
After providing numerous examples of the kinds of subsidies and restrictions that result from the political process as it actually exists, Alexander concludes “Given our existing government, it shouldn’t be let within a light-year of getting to determine anybody’s diet. Speculating that maybe the people who administer the program will be virtuous competent individuals who act for the good of the public, is saying that the thing which has already happened won’t happen.”
But there’s another reason why I am skeptical of this approach, one that holds even if we assume away all problems about political incentives. But first, here’s a (seemingly) random digression – what is the impact of time-restricted feeding on how much people weigh?
Time-restricted feeding (also known as intermittent fasting) is a somewhat popular method people use to help lose weight. Time windows vary, but the most common method is called the 16:8 method, where one goes 16 hours between eating, and consumes all their food during the remaining 8 hour window. A person who does this might skip breakfast, wait until noon before they consume anything with any calories, and then eat between noon and 8pm. Then, they’d wait until noon the next day to start eating again.
Diet and nutritional studies are notoriously difficult to carry out and often have very divergent findings. But there was a really interesting meta-analysis that looked at the effect of time-restricted feeding among Muslims who observe Ramadan. This is the practice of fasting between sunrise and sunset which, as the study notes, could be a fasting window of between 9 and 22 hours depending on how far one lives from the equator. It’s also a practice observed by hundreds of millions of people, which gives a much better sample size than most nutritional studies.
So, what effect does this have on people’s weight? The answer is “all of them.” It has every possible effect on people’s weight. Some people who observe Ramadan fasting lose weight, others maintain their weight, and others actually gain weight. Some people lose weight because restricting the time they have available to eat leads to them consuming fewer calories than they otherwise would. On the other side, some people approaching the end of their fasting window find themselves in a physical state known, to use a technical term, as being “insanely fricking hungry” and will gorge themselves when their eating window begins, ultimately consuming more overall calories than they would have if they had just eaten throughout the day. And for others, these two effects basically balance out and their total caloric intake remains unchanged. As the meta-analysis put it, “Effects of Ramadan fasting on weight vary between individuals, ranging from weight loss to weight gain, depending on whether or not energy intake in the non-fasting period under- or over-compensates for the lack of energy intake during the fasting period.”
So what does this have to do with the use of taxes and subsidies to offset market failure? Well, the use of such taxes and subsidies implicitly assumes that people will respond to taxes or subsidies in a specifically predictable and desired way – and people can in fact react in all kinds of different ways to taxes and subsidies, just as people’s total calorie intake can respond in every kind of way to time-restricted feeding.
One famous example of this is the cobra effect. As I have described it before:
Culling the cobra population was judged to produce positive externalities, and was thus judged to be underprovided on the market. Policymakers subsidized the killing of cobras because they anticipated it would lead to an increased amount of cobra hunting, thus offsetting the market failure by increasing cobra culling to a socially optimal level. But people reacted differently than policymakers anticipated. Instead of cobra hunting, people began cobra breeding. So the attempt to use subsidies to decrease the cobra population had the opposite effect.
But is this just some isolated case? Or is there reason to believe that the inability to predict the specific ways people will respond to taxes and subsidies is the rule rather than the exception? In my extended review of Jeffrey Friedman’s book Power Without Knowledge, I outlined an argument Friedman made that this issue is the rule rather than the exception, and why this undermines the arguments made by economists with technocratic aspirations, who imagine they can skillfully guide behavior across society by just using taxes and subsidies to create the “right” incentives. Friedman argued that “incentives alone cannot actually produce behavioral predictions or, therefore, policy advice.”
This, Friedman argues, is because “knowing that the perceived incentive will affect these agents’ behavior is useless—for predictive purposes—if the economist does not also know exactly how it will affect it. But this requires knowing exactly how agents will interpret their situations in light of the perceived incentive. Only if they interpret their situations the way the economist does will the incentive ‘matter’ in a way the economist will be able to predict.” But, as Friedman goes through great pains to argue, different people perceive things in different ways and think in different ways, which means the way people will respond to any given incentive will be variable and unpredictable. As a result, economists (and policy makers more generally) lack “the ability to predict future agents’ subjective interpretations of how to behave under future circumstances as the agents themselves will perceive and interpret them.”
A book length demonstration of this very issue is Scott Hodge’s recent book Taxocracy: What You Don’t Know about Taxes and How They Rule Your Daily Life. It’s a fairly fun and breezy read. Hodge outlines all kinds of examples over the course of centuries where people’s responses to taxes – responses that were not anticipated by the policymakers levying the tax – have created all kinds of unanticipated outcomes. Some of them are merely amusing, like how some old houses in France are built rather like mushrooms – relatively small and narrow first floors with wider floors above. Homes were built this way because “property taxes were based on the square footage of the land a house occupied. So, people cheated on the tax collector by designing a small ground-floor level and wider stories above it.”
But other times the results are less amusing and more disastrous. King William III instigated a tax on windows, on the assumption that dwellings and buildings with lots of windows were likely to be owned by the wealthy, and thus this would serve as a way to tax the rich. However,
Granted, in neither of those cases were the taxes passed as a means of correcting a market failure. But the fundamental problem – that people will react to taxes (or subsides) in all kinds of ways that you can’t predict – is just as true whether the taxes (or subsidies) are meant to correct a market failure or are simply for the more generic purpose of raising revenue.
Friedman argues that this undercuts the arguments in favor of technocratic policy – including the use of taxes and subsidies to alter behavior in a way that corrects market failure. Friedman wrote “if we have reason to think that we cannot accurately know the results of a certain action (such as a specific technocratic action), then our knowledge of the beneficial outcome of taking that type of action cannot serve as the rationale for it, as technocracy demands, since we lack such knowledge. Likewise, if the defender of technocracy concedes that it is likely to produce unintended consequences but allows, too, that she does not know what they are likely to be, then her putative knowledge of the beneficial results of technocracy (the prevention, alleviation, and solution of social problems) cannot serve as the rationale for it, for she lacks knowledge of what lies on the cost side of the ledger.”
So even without politically misaligned incentives (a very real problem in its own right) there is another problem with attempting to use taxes and subsidies to correct market failure. Because, paraphrasing Friedman, if we have reason to think we cannot accurately know the specific ways people will change their behavior in response to Pigouvian taxes or subsidies, and I think we do in fact have good reason to think this, then the claim that the taxes or subsidies will alleviate a market failure cannot serve as the rationale for that policy.
READER COMMENTS
Craig Pirrong
Jul 29 2024 at 12:58pm
The underlying problem is that it is difficult, if not impossible, to identify all the margins on which people can respond to price/tax changes. It is almost certain that economists and policymakers vastly understate the possible margins and therefore such policies have unintended consequences that are usually malign.
The problem becomes more acute over a longer run–the Le Chatlier principle in action–because people figure out more and more margins over time.
In a way, it is just another manifestation of the Knowledge Problem. No single person can know what is in everybody else’s head.
Jon Murphy
Jul 29 2024 at 3:27pm
I was coming here to say exactly that, Craig. Bart Wilson put it excellently in a presentation he gave at a conference a few years ago: “Incentives matter but they are not mind control.” We know people will react; we don’t always know how they’ll react.
nobody.really
Jul 29 2024 at 3:15pm
Eh.
Let’s concede for the sake of argument that we can’t know how people will alter their behavior in response to public policies. That doesn’t tell us that they will alter their behavior for better or for worse. So maybe government could generate net benefits by enforcing private property rights–but maybe not; who can say? Thus, even if I buy this argument, I don’t know what conclusions I would draw from it; it’s all indeterminate.
Kevin Corcoran
Jul 29 2024 at 4:26pm
Part of the question Jeffrey Friedman wanted to examine in his book (highly recommended!) was whether technocracy is justified on its own grounds. As I described it in my first post unpacking his book:
That is, technocrats specifically advocate that particular policies are put into place because those policies will have a specific, known, and desired effect. If technocrats don’t actually have the knowledge they use as the basis for justifying their claim, then their argument in favor of implementing that policy fails. Hence, Friedman’s argument that “our knowledge of the beneficial outcome of taking that type of action cannot serve as the rationale for it, as technocracy demands, since we lack such knowledge.” Hence, a different argument or rationale is needed to justify the policy. One could take the approach of “well, we don’t know what the actual outcome will be, good or bad, but we should just do it anyway,” but I doubt many people will find that very compelling. If I ever heard that from a doctor, I’d probably run as far and fast as I could.
nobody.really
Jul 29 2024 at 6:00pm
Let’s put a finer point on this: Government could strive to enforce private property rights, but those enforcement actions would constitute incentives. We now conclude that we lack the power to assess the efficacy of those incentives. Are you therefore going on record recommending that government stop enforcing private property rights?
Dylan
Jul 29 2024 at 6:45pm
Beaten to the punch twice in one day, both by writers far more lucid than I am.
Government is going to have some say in determining the incentive structure we live under. We don’t know how each individual will react to every incentive, but we tend to have a pretty good understanding in aggregate that if you raise prices, ceteris paribus, quantity demanded will fall. There might even be a whole school of thought that is largely derived from this insight.
Kevin Corcoran
Jul 30 2024 at 1:34pm
Nope, because there is a finer point being made here than your counterquestion implies. Part of what’s required to justify a claim depends on what the claim itself entails. That is, there is a difference between what we might call technocratic policies that seek to create specific outcomes by means of targeted, top-down interventions and the arguments required to justify such policies, compared to the argument in favor of enforcement of general rules. This was a point Hayek argued in great length – that the case for the enforcement of general, evolved rules (like property rights) emphatically does not depend on any claims that the enforcement of those rules will produce specific, known outcomes. Because the argument makes no such claims requiring such knowledge, the ability (or lack thereof) to possess that knowledge reliably does not refute the argument. Technocratic policy, on the other hand, specifically does base its justification on the claim that a specific policy will produce a specific, known, and desirable result. As Friedman put it in his book,
nobody.really
Jul 31 2024 at 12:03am
Yeah, that’s the best argument I could come up with, too. It boils down to “Change is bad; the status quo is prefect. Well, not ‘perfect’ in the sense that it produces good outcomes—‘cuz we lack the basis to make any claims about future outcomes. But ‘perfect’ in the sense that we’re not subjecting the status quo to any scrutiny. We only scrutinize proposed changes.” I can’t say that this is my favorite argument.
Everything hangs on finding the distinction between “technocratic policies” and “general, evolved rules.” So property rights are general, evolved rules–eve as their evolving. Many US states valued the cattle industry, and thus imposed no liability on ranchers if their cows trampled someone else’s land. But as the US became more settled/agricultural, states gradually changed these laws to impose these liability on ranchers. See generally fence in/fence out laws.
Do intellectual property rights qualify as property rights, and thus as “general, evolved rules”? And when Congress amends those laws to extend the duration of Disney’s intellectual property rights, which category do those extensions fall into? If someone proposed changing the law back, would that count as a new, technocratic change, or a reinstitution of the general, evolved rule?
From time immemorial, people have exercised their right to dump their raw sewage into rivers, own slaves, and practice polygamy. Were these “general, evolved rules”? And did proposals to change them constitute unwarranted “technocratic policies”? (Recall that defenders of the institution of slavery were explicit in their concerns for their property rights.)
We’ve had this argument before, I know. Maybe that’s the best argument we can find–but it’s still tough.
David Seltzer
Jul 29 2024 at 4:37pm
Nobody: “it’s all indeterminate.” That’s Friedman’s point. “the way people will respond to any given incentive will be variable and unpredictable.” Indeterminate (random) errors are caused by uncontrollable or unknown changes in variables. The OLS regression scalar, epsilon (ε), represents unobserved random variables.
nobody.really
Jul 30 2024 at 11:26pm
Query: What’s the point of doing a regression analysis if everything is indeterminate? Yes, you can mathematically find a line that minimizes least squares for a given sample–but if you think everything is indeterminate, then you have no basis to expect that same pattern to arise in any other sample. The only point I know of for doing regression analysis is if you DO expect to find a recurring pattern, suggesting SOME underlying (typically causal) relationship.
David Seltzer
Jul 31 2024 at 11:42am
Nobody: Fair query. OLS looks for correlation. Weight is correlated with height, but the residuals from sample data represent the difference between the observed values and the predicted values and are fairly random. A plot of stochastic residuals demonstrates non-predictability.
steve
Jul 29 2024 at 3:21pm
We do have to pay for the government we have. Seems to me that all across the political spectrum people push for specific tax policies claiming that we will see positive results yet those claims are seldom borne out or the effects are so small as to be trivial.
Steve
Jon Murphy
Jul 29 2024 at 3:50pm
Agreed. These cutsie tax schemes are likely more trouble than their worth. Probably the best thing to do would be to remove all those schemes and go to a simplified flat tax (either a national sales tax or a flat-rate national income tax).
Thomas L Hutcheson
Jul 30 2024 at 6:21am
Why not a progressive (or not, separate issue) consumption tax, an income tax with “deductions” for saving. We already do that to some degree with retirement savings, we just increase the limits.
Jon Murphy
Jul 30 2024 at 8:48am
Reread this post and my earlier post to know my answer
Thomas L Hutcheson
Jul 29 2024 at 11:48pm
This theory leads to an easy solution. Govern men should try to _promote_ market failures, income inequality, and negative externalities and then by the inevitable working of the Law of Unintended Consequeses more good than harm will be done. 🙂
Matthias
Jul 30 2024 at 8:07am
Does anyone have a source for the Scott Alexander quote? Google doesn’t seem to help.
John R. Samborski
Jul 30 2024 at 8:09am
Mr. Corcoran,
Can you give a link to Scott Alexander’s post on government interventions on nutrition? Thanks.
Monte
Jul 30 2024 at 12:53pm
Arrow proved this by demonstrating that social preferences can’t be independently observed and thus cannot satisfy all the conditions required for aggregating individual preferences into collective action. Neither can optimal tax rates be determined other than by arbitrarily arriving at them legislatively, making them vulnerable to manipulation by special interests.
The temptation for governments to impose Pigouvian taxes has become politically irresistable based on the double dividend hypothesis of mitigating undesirable consumer behavior while generating revenue that can be allocated to the public treasury as a source of funds for politician’s pet policies.
Kevin Corcoran
Jul 30 2024 at 1:36pm
To John R. Samborski and Matthias (along with anyone else who was curious), the quote from Scott Alexander is found in this post. My apologies for leaving it out – I had intended to embed the link in the text of my post, but apparently I missed it,
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