As with the Chinese Cultural Revolution, the radicalism of the woke movement will end up destroying itself. In yesterday’s post, I half-jokingly suggested that maybe the movement is being funded by a right wing billionaire. Today, I encountered a long article at The Intercept by Ryan Grim that makes a similar point:
Another leader [of progressive organizations] said the strife has become so destructive that it feels like an op. “I’m not saying it’s a right-wing plot, because we are incredibly good at doing ourselves in, but — if you tried — you couldn’t conceive of a better right-wing plot to paralyze progressive leaders by catalyzing the existing culture where internal turmoil and microcampaigns are mistaken for strategic advancement of social impact for the millions of people depending on these organizations to stave off the crushing injustices coming our way,” said another longtime organization head. “Progressive leaders cannot do anything but fight inside the orgs, thereby rendering the orgs completely toothless for the external battles in play. … Everyone is scared, and fear creates the inaction that the right wing needs to succeed in cementing a deeply unpopular agenda.”
In my previous post I criticized Will Stancil’s claim that almost all of the opposition to woke excesses comes from white men. Grim provides supporting evidence:
The pushback against callout culture, which might be surprising on a surface level, is bubbling up in Black movement spaces. “In the movement for Black lives, there is a lot of the top leaders saying, ‘This is out of control. No one can be a leader in this culture. It’s not sustainable. We’re constantly being called out from the bottom,’” said one white movement leader who works closely with Black Lives Matter leaders. “Nowadays, there’s an open conversation — not open, there is a large conversation — about the problems of this, and it’s being led by people within the movement for Black lives,” he said. “We didn’t have that three years ago, and if we did, they were a minority and were totally isolated. Now it’s so bad that there’s now a growing backlash within our own movements.”
Patrisse Khan-Cullors, a founder of the Black Lives Matter movement, called the phenomenon out in the book “How We Fight White Supremacy,” writing, “People don’t understand that organizing isn’t going online and cussing people out or going to a protest and calling something out.”
Critics of woke excess are not suggesting that no one deserves to be called out. The real problem is that the wrong people are being called out. The radical progressives are destroying themselves.
READER COMMENTS
Mark Z
Jun 14 2022 at 3:32pm
“The real problem is that the wrong people are being called out. The radical progressives are destroying themselves.”
One man’s problem is another man’s solution, I guess. Looking at their policy platforms, I’m glad they’re pre-occupied, and couldn’t care less if criticism of this insanity comes mostly from White Men. We’ve been known to be right about things from time to time.
Thomas Strenge
Jun 14 2022 at 3:36pm
After reading this, I embrace the most German of all emotions : Schadenfreude.
Phil H
Jun 14 2022 at 8:57pm
I agree with everything Scott writes here, and ironically, this is why I love the left. Yeah, the left eats itself. All the time. This is marginally better than eating other people.
Matthias
Jun 17 2022 at 8:21am
Alas, they are doing both.
Jim Glass
Jun 14 2022 at 9:51pm
“The woke are feeding on themselves”
This is the long-time historical normal behavior for leftists. Kotkin, I think, calls it “The Curse of the Left” — it is always eating itself. In the Spanish Civil War the socialists lost largely because they fought themselves near as much as they fought the nationalists, literally, to the death. See Orwell. Stalin first purged the domestic communists in every country the Soviets took over. (And of course hunted down Trotsky far away in Mexico.) It scales large and small, and examples simply abound in our social media wars today.
Methinks the dynamic behind it is competitive righteousness — to gain rank, everyone signals they are more true to the cause than everyone else — combined with ‘save the world’ complex. When the world is at stake any short-term apparent injustice committed to further the cause is in fact totally justified. Civility, bargaining, incremental real progress is a sellout to whatever evil one is fighting (racists, rapists, capitalists, bogey of choice), so damn those on your own side who are less committed to your version of the truth than you are!
JK Rowling, yesterday’s champion of feminism and gay rights, today’s canceled right-wing bigot trans-phobe.
And 1979’s comic political parody becomes today’s woke agenda: “Stan wants to have babies“.
Jose Pablo
Jun 14 2022 at 10:20pm
That reminds me of this great scene from Bryan’s Life. The left has always have this kind of problems, it seems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4
Michael Rulle
Jun 15 2022 at 9:16am
Walter Russell Meade made a similar parody/comment about 5 years ago. It has held up well—-Scott is finally focusing on the current people in power—-Yes, he always has—-but he is upping his rhetoric—-a good thing.
Scott Sumner
Jun 15 2022 at 12:29pm
This post is not about the people in power, it’s about their enemies. The woke are helping Donald Trump get a second term.
robc
Jun 15 2022 at 12:40pm
Donald Trump isn’t one of the people in power.
Right now (for a few more months), the left controls the executive and both houses. While they aren’t all woke, their are woke members in power.
So, yes, it is about the current people in power. Even if they don’t have as much power as they would like, as they don’t control even their own delegation.
Scott Sumner
Jun 15 2022 at 7:11pm
So you think electing Trump helps Biden? That’s a novel claim.
Michael Rulle
Jun 16 2022 at 10:23am
I have a hunch Trump will not run——but will support a candidate—-perhaps DeSantis. In fact, if he really cared about his place in history—-given how unfairly he was treated—-this is what he would do. Who knows—-But I don’t want him to run.
DeSantis—-magna cum laude —History—Yale; captain on baseball team (like George Sr!) and leading batter; Harvard Law —-cum laude.
At least they won’t be able to call him stupid. Only 3 presidents went to Yale (Bushes and Taft) and 1 to Harvard Law (Obama). JAG in Iraq.
He is Italian American Catholic. I have always believed Italians and Jews would have the hardest time being elected—-probably because they never have been.
Nor will Biden be the candidate. But I cannot figure out who could be.I still need to see DeSantis more close up to decide——but I am guessing he will be the candidate.
Michael Rulle
Jun 16 2022 at 10:35am
I have a hunch Trump will not run——but will support a candidate—-perhaps DeSantis. In fact, if he really cared about his place in history—-given how unfairly he was treated—-this is what he would do. Who knows—-But I don’t want him to run.
DeSantis—-magna cum laude —History—Yale; captain on baseball team (like George Sr!) and leading batter; Harvard Law —-cum laude. He also was an electrician to help pay for college.
At least they won’t be able to call him stupid. Only 3 presidents went to Yale (Bushes and Taft) and 1 to Harvard Law (Obama). JAG in Iraq.
He is Italian American Catholic. I have always believed Italians and Jews would have the hardest time being elected—-probably because they never have been.
Nor will Biden be the candidate. But I cannot figure out who could be.I still need to see DeSantis more close up to decide——but I am guessing he will be the candidate.
Scott Sumner
Jun 16 2022 at 12:54pm
“I have a hunch Trump will not run——but will support a candidate—-perhaps DeSantis. In fact, if he really cared about his place in history—-given how unfairly he was treated”
Trump literally tried to abolish democracy in America and make himself an unelected dictator, and got off scot-free. That’s being treated unfairly? (Not to many all the numerous other scandals, for which he paid no price at all.)
Everett
Jun 15 2022 at 11:23am
So WHY do right-wingers fear a Democrat President and Congress?
Kevin
Jun 15 2022 at 1:07pm
Is this meant to be a joke? Increased taxation, runaway spending (same thing), and the regulation of every aspect of our lives, all whilst pretending that someone else has the reins of power, and there’s nothing that they can do about the problems that they create and exacerbate.
Matthias
Jun 17 2022 at 8:23am
Those are worrying things. But not sure the other party in the US is actually better when in power?
Monte
Jun 15 2022 at 2:47pm
Good point. With Luther Heggs, Luanne Platter, and the Keystone Congress in charge, what could possibly go wrong?
Jon Murphy
Jun 15 2022 at 2:48pm
For the same reason left-wingers fear a Republican President and Congress. No political party likes to be in opposition.
E. Harding
Jun 15 2022 at 2:34pm
“As with the Chinese Cultural Revolution, the radicalism of the woke movement will end up destroying itself.”
Nope. Juche didn’t destroy itself. Neither did the Hitler regime. Or the Ukrainian regime.
“The radical progressives are destroying themselves.”
No, they are dramatically strengthening themselves.
Matthias
Jun 17 2022 at 8:26am
The Nazi regime in Germany contributed massively to its own downfall.
Of course, details depend on what counterfactuals you are looking at.
Eg if they hadn’t started a war, they would have stayed in power for longer.
Or if they hadn’t tried to micromanage the professional armed forces.
Or if they hadn’t treated the eastern Europeans so harshly, many of whom actually initially greeted them as liberators from the Soviets.
Of course, external forces were also involved. Eg the opponents in their wars.
Just like a political party fighting itself also still loses elections to other parties, not completely by itself.
Thomas Lee Hutcheson
Jun 15 2022 at 7:09pm
Time spent on internal dissention is time not spent alienating the Median Voter. I do hope ACLU will recover, however; we need it.
Jon Murphy
Jun 16 2022 at 6:06am
The current nonsense in the Libertarian Party suggests otherwise. There was recently a coup within the party where a new caucus has taken over. Their whole thing is being edgelords, specifically of the nationalist-right nature.
I just bring this up as this internal squabble serves to alienate the median voter as the more extremist side won. We’re seeing the same in the Democratic and Republican parties. As they move toward extremism, the median voters are getting alienated, as evidenced by low turnout and lack of enthusiasm
Jose Pablo
Jun 16 2022 at 7:57am
We already knew that the worst get to the top, didn’t we?
Is not new.
Gene
Jun 16 2022 at 4:00pm
Time spent on internal dissention is time not spent alienating the Median Voter. I do hope ACLU will recover, however; we need it.
Those things are in no way mutually exclusive. In today’s environment they are downright synergistic.
Mark Z
Jun 17 2022 at 2:38pm
Actually, almost nothing alienates the median voter more, because the median voter is watching, and probably understands the transitive principle (i.e., if people way to the left of the median voter are being purged, then the median voters knows he definitely would be too).
George J Kamburoff
Jun 17 2022 at 11:28am
But the conservatives are eating Democracy itself!
Scott Sumner
Jun 17 2022 at 12:11pm
That’s true.
Jim Glass
Jun 17 2022 at 9:35pm
Not conservatives, right-wing populists. Edmund Burke was a conservative. Conservatives preserve institutions. Thus the descriptor “conservative”.
The issue of this political generation is the growth of right-wing populism all over the western liberal democratic world: Brexit, Le Pen, Orban, Italy’s Five Star Movement, etc. We should be grateful that Trump was so inept, and alarmed that such an abject political failure still draws so much loyalty.
One thing Trump is nothing at all like is a “conservative” — he spent his adult life on the Upper East Side of Manhattan sending campaign contributions to Hillary, Chuck, the Democratic Senate Election Committee, anyone that would make him popular among those around him at the moment. That’s what populists do! A conservative would never have done that. That his supporters know all about it and don’t care a whit shows they plainly aren’t conservatives.
There are plenty of real conservatives still in existence. Calling all these right-wing populists around the world “conservatives” flatly misdiagnoses the problem and ignores what is driving their rising tide.
They are real people, millions of voters who have real concerns, and a right to express their concerns in the electoral system. To get them back to valuing the liberal system that lets them voice their complaints we need less despondent name calling and more in the way of a new crop of political entrepreneurs who respect and address their concerns to win them back. After all, liberal democracy has been in crisis since 1789, it’s not like we haven’t been through a lot worse, and we’ve always pulled through so far.
Hey, Monty Python on Brexit!
Monte
Jun 17 2022 at 1:50pm
How can we not remain eternally optimistic about our democracy when our current president reminds us:
Neither president is above reproach:
Both presidents and parties are playing the American people. It is the height of naivete to believe otherwise.
Mike
Jun 17 2022 at 1:14pm
“The behavior of any bureaucratic organization can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies.”― Robert Conquest
JayyDubb
Jun 18 2022 at 1:42pm
I’ve listened to the Left for a long time–I wonder why they don’t listen to us?
It was obvious from the start that Intersectionality was an interesting idea–but the end result is a final reduction to individualism–each person has so many “intersections” that everyone finally needs to be recognized as an individual–a confluence of intersections of infinite forms. That’s the same thing we on the Right believe.
But the Left for some reason thought there must be a limit to the intersections–or that some “identities” were more important or valuable than others? And then here we are again at priorities, power, value, hierarchies–all of which they supposed they were eliminating?
It’s obvious to me that ultimately these reliances on identities needs to chip away at itself.
Likewise the apparent desire to ignore physical reality in the form of biological identity. Who among us thinks that how one person sees their internal “gender identity” should de-facto trump society’s view of your external reality? If you can “pass” as a trans-woman, great for you. But to suggest that all observable genetic and hormonal reality shape-shifts because of your internal sense of yourself is purely religious. And it’s a religion that conflicts upon itself–if there are sex-disparities, but sex doesn’t really exist, then what are these disparities based upon? It’s all power? Really? And once we deconstruct the power structure, what will replace it–*your* power structure?
Tell me you can understand that I see through that contradiction….
I know that if the Right had its way and never moved forward, only remained static or went backwards that would be bad–why can’t the Left see its own folly?
Jim Glass
Jun 20 2022 at 8:38pm
“Both presidents and parties are playing the American people. It is the height of naivete to believe otherwise.”
It’s shockingly like all the politicians are engaged in politics.
“So WHY do right-wingers fear a Democrat President and Congress?”
“For the same reason left-wingers fear a Republican President and Congress”.
“Under democracy each party always devotes its chief energies to proving that the other party is unfit to rule — and both commonly succeed, and are right.”
— H.L. Menken
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