The mainstream economic argument on externalities and public goods is, roughly, the following. Some phenomena are not priced by markets. Costs are imposed on involuntary parties, which cannot be compensated, leading the activities that generate them to be carried on over their optimal level. Alternatively, some benefits are not provided because private producers will not be able to do it at a profit, leading to an under-optimal supply. The government should intervene to solve these market failures.
But the conclusion is not as obvious as it appears; it might be more a wish than a solution. What are the incentives of politicians, bureaucrats, and voters to solve the externality or to supply the public good? What are their incentives to simply find correct information on costs and benefits, and to learn the economic theories necessary to calculate and interpret them?
An article in The Economist provides an illustration, perhaps inadvertently (“In Defence of Britain’s Public Toilets,” August 10, 2023). Public toilets are toilets made available by the government in public places such as streets. The standard economic argument would see them as part of the public places that only government can supply. We are told that they are increasingly rare in Britain, notably in London. This is inconvenient for many people (think of taxi drivers, for example). Moreover, seeing people who have to release themselves in public or the smell that lingers imposes what may be identified as a negative externality.
Why don’t municipal governments solve the problem? Why does the City of Westminster in Greater London choose to spend close to £1 million a year in cleaning costs instead of installing more accessible public toilets? Moreover, public toilets are not even technically a public good in the Samuelson sense, for it is easy to charge the user—although in France, it may start a revolution. Before 1948, The Economist says, local councils like Westminster were not even “allowed” to provide public toilets! Without the government, who would provide public toilets?
Fortunately, there are private commercial solutions, perhaps imperfect, but which at least come with the correct incentives. In the second half of the 19th century, ornate public toilets appeared in London but they were rare for women. Not long after, an “almost revolutionary” innovation was introduced, for purely commercial reasons, by Selfridge’s, a London department store opened by an eponymous American entrepreneur:
In 1893 the first women’s toilets appeared on the Strand. When Selfridge’s opened in 1909 it offered its clientele toilets: letting women “spend a penny” made it easier for them to shop for longer. This, says Clara Greed, a professor emerita of inclusive urban planning at the University of the West of England, Bristol, was “almost revolutionary”.
Fortunately, like in America, private venues such as McDonald’s restaurants are great private providers of the toilet “public good”:
As Selfridge knew, sanitation can be symbiotic: McDonald’s is almost as well-loved for its regularly checked loos as its regular fries; the pub chain JD Wetherspoon is celebrated … for providing clean, spacious facilities. The chain’s founder, Tim Martin, honed these to compete on crowded high streets. Toilets, he thinks, are “a significant percentage of the appeal of the pubs.”
Public goods and externalities provide a too-easy and often frivolous excuse for calling in Big Brother. Private solutions are never perfect, but neither are government solutions (although I would not criticize municipal governments installing more public toilets, up to the point where it would duplicate private solutions). In an important article, James Buchanan explained more generally why government failures are often worse than market failures (“Politics, Policy, and the Pigovian Margins,” Economica, New Series, Vol. 29, No. 113 [February 1962]):
To argue that an existing order is “imperfect” in comparison with an alternative order of affairs that turns out, upon careful inspection, to be unattainable may not be different from arguing that the existing order is “perfect.” …
Since there will be nothing in the collective choice process that will tend to produce the “ideal” solution, as determined by the welfare economist, the presence or absence of a Pigovian marginal divergency in the market solution, even of sufficient seriousness to warrant concern, provides in itself no implication for the desirability of institutional change.
We tend to underestimate the challenges that James Buchanan and public-choice theory represent for mainstream and sometimes naïve economic discourse.
READER COMMENTS
MarkW
Aug 16 2023 at 8:00am
My small city is going to give public toilets another try. I’m not optimistic. Public toilets must be handicapped accessible AND them must be kept from becoming sites of sex crimes or homeless shelters. And who would the toilets be for? They would be for people who don’t have the money to patronize local businesses, all of which provide toilets for their customers. Actually, there are public toilets for those non-dining, non-shopping folks already (in the downtown public library and the transit center), so these new public toilets would be for those who are downtown when those facilities and all businesses are closed. So these would be new toilets really only for the homeless who are sleeping on the street. The current plan is to install some of these. Maybe it’ll work. At least it’s a lot cheaper than building fully plumbed units and they can be removed if they end up being a problem.
Anyway — thank god for our cold winter weather. Our local politics are such that homelessness here would be every bit as bad as the notorious west coast cities if it weren’t for frigid winter temperatures.
Dylan
Aug 16 2023 at 9:26am
When I was growing up on the west coast, visible homelessness was fairly rare. Yet, in NYC it seemed to be very common. This seemed like a puzzle to my young mind, why would homeless folks congregate in a city that had cold winters. Surely they could find a way to get out to the west coast or down to Florida? Even without money, hitchhiking was a thing. When I moved out to New York almost 20 years ago, it seemed like the homeless had finally taken my advice. It was pretty rare to see people sleeping on the street their, but it had become way more common up and down the west coast, in big and small towns a like, including places like Spokane, that have pretty cold winters. Now of course, we have lots of homeless on the streets again in NYC and even more up and down the west coast. What’s changed in the last 30 years that is responsible for this shift?
Craig
Aug 16 2023 at 11:27am
Giuliani pushed the homeless to the shadows. So you didn’t see them in the Port Authority or Grand Central as frequently. They would still be seen, just much less frequently. For winter time the homeless are very adept at surviving and they find warm spots in the city. Also when the weather gets extremely cold the police would loosen their grip a bit on the subway/subway stations. Train tunnels were not uncommon refuge spots for the homeless. Very interesting youtube about a Cuban immigrant who at one point had one of the most unique setups for homeless people in one of these tunnels complete with power. For your consideration: Living in the Tunnels Beneath New York – Mole People https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlK3QbPAE-I
Dylan
Aug 16 2023 at 1:14pm
Agreed that the homeless still existed, but were less visible. I’m not entirely sure if that is a good thing or not. It certainly is a more pleasant experience to be able to walk freely around downtown and not get hassled for money, enjoy the parks without the smell of urine everywhere, etc… The problem is still there though, even if not visible, and perhaps saps the political pressure to take more substantive measures to “fix” it.
Craig
Aug 16 2023 at 11:36am
“Surely they could find a way to get out to the west coast or down to Florida? Even without money, hitchhiking was a thing.”
I have thought similarly and obviously some do move and even do so with their feet no less, but I think the impediment is something like Medicaid which I don’t think is as easily transferable as one might think. I believe that there is something about it which makes your current state that you are in a bit stickier than we might think. (I’m not 100% sure about that)
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 16 2023 at 10:44am
Mark: Interesting points! They support the idea that private solutions are less imperfect than government ones, especially if the relevant government cannot or will not enforce reasonable (and non-discriminatory) conditions of use.
Craig
Aug 16 2023 at 12:35pm
As you often suggest Professor, incentives matter. Where are the clean bathrooms? In establishments where the people care about the state of their bathrooms. In Europe there are pay for use toilets, in the US that doesn’t happen very frequently, but still the toilets that are maintained are the toilets where the cleanliness of the toilets is an important incidence of the business in question. Hotels, restaurants, post-COVID gas station rest stops like Bucees, and other places where a dirty bathroom would reflect poorly on the business in general.
Craig
Aug 16 2023 at 11:31am
“They would be for people who don’t have the money to patronize local businesses, all of which provide toilets for their customers.”
You’d be surprised how many homeless people actually have cars still. Indeed, homeless people sometimes have some kind of marginal employment on top of which they do patronize local businesses and actually for purposes of the bathrooms what they do is they tend to join gyms like Planet Fitness. Wifi/shower/work out a bit, indeed if these gyms can identify the person as homeless which obviously can happen, they might say something, but you’d be surprised how many homeless people are not at first glance obviously homeless.
Jon Murphy
Aug 16 2023 at 8:08am
I think this post does a good job of highlighting a problem that plagues much discourse over externalities and public goods:
The presence of costs that cannot be overcome by private actors is simply assumed.
Dylan
Aug 16 2023 at 10:14am
I don’t know if that is true in general, but certainly doesn’t appear to be true here. If the article is to be believed, Westminster spends over $1m cleaning up from public urination alone. That seems like a real cost, and likely understates it. If the streets smell like urine, I’m probably inclined to take less trips and therefore buy less on the high street. There are of course potential public health costs as well, as this other Economist article on the lack of public toilets highlights.
This of course doesn’t meant that government intervention is necessary or the best option. I find that libertarians tend to jump to the conclusion that a person pointing out an externality is necessarily in favor of the government intervening to fix it somehow. It’s quite possible for the cure to be worse than the disease, but that doesn’t mean the externality doesn’t exist.
Richard W Fulmer
Aug 16 2023 at 10:25am
I think that Jon’s point is that private parties do provide public goods even though it’s often assumed that they either can’t or won’t. Dr. Lemieux observed that public restrooms are provided by private companies. Other examples include lighthouses, roads, broadcast radio and television, Wikipedia, open-source software, open data initiatives, weather forecasting, and free online resources.
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 16 2023 at 11:09am
Dylan: You put your finger on one of the problems. If externalities are defined as deviations from an otherwise unattainable optimum, then the concept becomes rather useless. One of the illustrations given by Carl Dahlman added (“The Problem of Externality,” Journal of Law & Economics, April 1979):
Dylan
Aug 16 2023 at 1:09pm
Pierre: I thought the definition of an externality was simply when all the costs (or benefits) are not internalized into the price? As I said above, that doesn’t imply a specific solution to the externality, or even that there needs to be one. Just about every transaction is going to have some kind of externality. The question(s) should be how significant is the externality? Does it seem that it is getting solved (or partially solved) in another way? (In which case maybe it isn’t really an externality after all). Only if it appears to be a significant problem (of course, subject to debate and disagreement) and doesn’t seem to be getting internalized in another fashion, should the subject of what to do about the externality even come up. Even then, it doesn’t have to be a government solution! Maybe a neighborhood trade association gets together and decides to fund a public bathroom, because all of their shops are too small by themselves to have one, but they agree that they would all benefit if shoppers didn’t have to run home all the time. Just because something doesn’t currently exist, doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be efficient to be provided privately, sometimes all you need is the idea.
There are problems to my eye that don’t seem realistically amenable to that approach. CO2 in the atmosphere is perhaps one example. An asteroid hurtling to the earth is another. In those cases, my preference is to try and find the way in which governments, through minimal intervention, can put into place the right incentive structures to allow the private sector to address the problem in innovative ways. I concede that is easier said than done and that the incentives of government itself are tilted away from success. Which is why this shouldn’t ever be the first choice in dealing with an externality, but neither should it be off the table either.
Craig
Aug 16 2023 at 11:43am
Commuting to NYC and also working there I had a mental map of all of the facilities there that were palatable. Of course the PABT and Grand Central were not among them. I’d wake up in the morning and refrain from coffee since the NJ Transit commuter bus didn’t even have a bathroom on it and I was in no mood to abandon a bus in East Rutherford to suck under Rt 3 to do my business in the Meadowlands (not my style).
The old objection to privatizing rest rooms in NYC accessible to the general public was that the poor wouldn’t have the money to use them, but I would suggest that given modern payment systems like EBT cards would make this more practical. Perhaps put it under the Medicaid card.
Jon Murphy
Aug 16 2023 at 8:28pm
Hi Dylan,
Sorry for the late reply. You write:
True, that is a real cost. But note that the theory of externality does not say that the externality is reduced to zero: just that it is compensated. The mere presence of an externality does not imply that the market has failed in any significant way. Rather, we have to look at the entirety of the situation: what actions have individuals taken to reduce the externality? In this case, pubs have spent a lot of resources in creating their own bathrooms and that is a point of competition for them. So, private actors have internalized some of the externality.
The presence of an externality is not a market failure in and of itself. Indeed, such as in this case or in Coase’s famous case of the lighthouse, the presence of the externality presents a market opportunity for anyone able to overcome it.
Bill
Aug 17 2023 at 12:29pm
Relatedly, Buchanan and Stubblebine, in their 1962 article in Economica, drew a useful distinction between Pareto-relevant and Pareto-irrelevant externalities.
Jon Murphy
Aug 17 2023 at 12:38pm
Agreed. I also like Carl Dahlman’s useful extension of their work, which Pierre cited above.
Thomas L Hutcheson
Aug 17 2023 at 10:55am
I’d say the problem is just generalizing, neither public nor private solutions to externalities is a theoretical slam dunk. Depends on the time and place and the best solution might change over time: regulation, nothing, community norms, Pigou taxation, tort litigation.
Fun fact: the first public flushing toilets were private at the Crystal Place exhibition 1850, hence the expression “spend a penny.”
Jon Murphy
Aug 17 2023 at 12:39pm
I certainly agree with that point (it’s been a major hobby horse of mine). But my point is even before we get there: the mere presence of an externality does not imply a market failure.
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 17 2023 at 12:52pm
Jon (and Thomas): Can’t we go even further? (It’s not a rhetorical question.) As James Buchanan reminded us, markets are not a social welfare function. That they fail to take into account (except in very limited ways and with a veto right for any individual targeted) what busybodies don’t like to think others are doing or thinking is, from the point of the maintenance of a liberal spontaneous social order, a very fortunate failure.
Bill
Aug 17 2023 at 1:27pm
“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you do not approve of.” ~ Thomas Sowell
Jon Murphy
Aug 17 2023 at 1:49pm
I agree with you, Pierre. I’m just making my statement within the framework of the traditional model.
Jim Glass
Aug 16 2023 at 1:27pm
A private party donates a free public toilet to San Francisco…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxROQmoFnxg
The issue here does not seem to be externalities. 🙂
Monte
Aug 16 2023 at 1:35pm
Incentives matter, as they say, and they matter most where the monetary reward is greatest. I’m not sure about a government solution, but I think the market solution is to bring back pay toilets. I’m old enough to remember them. Fortuna I was alstely,o young and small enough at the time to crawl under the stall doors and use them for free when it was time to “take the Browns to the Super Bowl.”
What I find so rewarding about this blog is the wealth of information I stumble across when preparing to comment and with which I’m totally unfamiliar. For instance, I wasn’t aware that at one time there was a Committee to End Pay Toilets in America (CEPTIA), “a 1970s grass-roots political organization which was one of the main forces behind the elimination of pay toilets in many American cities and states.” By 1970, there were as many as 50,000 pay toilets in America, but CEPTIA and the feminist movement (which has since been diluted by the transgender movement) convinced states to pass legislation banning pay toilets, resulting in a public inconvenience.
We should repeal these laws and bring back pay toilets. This idea is currently being floated by the city of San Diego.
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 16 2023 at 3:22pm
Monte: What you say is interesting on many levels. I remember reading about CEPTIA some (perhaps many) years ago. In Paris, public toilets have been free since 2006, following complaints. They are maintained by a private firm under contract. The dynamics of the democratic state as we know it is confirmed by the fact that Europeans import the worst from America, and vice-versa.
I have a dream (certainly not incentive-compatible): In large cities, the government would maintain two sorts of public toilets: (1) Free ones, called “Socialist Toilets,” where users would be asked to clean after themselves (cleaning supplies would be available on-site) and replace paper towels, soap, and toilet paper as needed. A conspicuous slogan would say: “Do your part for the collectivity” [or “for the community” or “for social justice”]: Make sure that the Socialist Toilets that you use remain supplied and sparkling clean!” (2) Paying toilets, called “Capitalist Toilets,” where a fee would be charged covering the capital cost and maintenance. A monthly index of the cleanliness of Capitalist Toilets and Socialist Toilets would be published, together with the number of their respective users.
Monte
Aug 16 2023 at 3:56pm
LOL!!! I believe you’ve one-upped me, Pierre! Socialist toilets vs capitalist toilets. A novel idea!
I can see it now – long lines forming at the socialists toilets, which would soon fall into disrepair. Protests, picketing, and vandalism of the capitalist toilets would follow. And then there’s the free rider problem – radical socialists waiting outside the doors of capitalist toilets, shoving past paying customers as they exit, refusing to pay-as-they-go.
Dylan
Aug 16 2023 at 5:04pm
I have to say, I tend to disagree a lot here, but I can 100% support this idea. Let’s make it happen!
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