Suppose an adult—call him Tom—faces a choice between two alternatives, A and B. Alternative B (mnemonic: B for “best”) is the one he prefers and will choose if left free. If you coercively forbid him to do B, forcing him to choose A instead, are you rendering him a service? Will he thank you for that?
B and A could represent, for example, the alternative between working for $10 an hour or not being hired by anybody (because Tom’s productivity is not higher than the equivalent of $10 an hour); or between working in a third-world “sweatshop” and scavenging in a dump. My first example refers to minimum wages, which force less productive workers to choose A. (See this morning’s story in the Wall Street Journal: “California Restaurants Cut Jobs as Fast-Food Wages Set to Rise,” March 25, 2024,) My second example refers to the employees of sweatshops in poor countries who lose their jobs (and are forced to choose A) when rich Western intellectuals, activists, and trade unionists succeed in forcing them to increase wages and reduce production, or close down (see pp. 66-68 of the link).
Coercively preventing an individual from choosing what he considers his best alternative harms him, even if he would describe it as his least bad one. (One’s best alternative is always anyway less bad than something else that is not accessible.) The only way to avoid this conclusion is to assume that you are better placed than Tom to know what is best among his available options. This paternalistic assumption can conceivably be true in some cases but it is not the recipe for a free society of equals.
This reflection leads to another simple idea in economics: the distinction between economics as a positive science, and the value judgments that underlie most if not all authoritarian interventions in the economy. “Value judgment” is the economic jargon for a moral or normative judgment. From a positive viewpoint, we observe that an individual will always try to do what he thinks is good for him or what in his evaluation will contribute to whatever other goal he may have (such as charity or good parenting, for example). This is so true that if the prohibition of B is not enforced with penalties or punishments high enough, Tom will try to do it anyway; black markets are a case in point. From a normative viewpoint, one may believe in some ethical theory that supports forbidding Tom to do B, but one needs a good and coherent argument. Such arguments are much more demanding than the typical social activist or planner thinks.
Of course, most people make some personal choices that they later regret. But the probability of an error is likely higher if the choice is imposed by an external party. Since an individual who makes a choice for himself will get its benefits and support its costs, he has more incentives to decide wisely than anybody else—except perhaps for a great friend or lover who would not use coercion anyway.
One example of a value judgment libertarians and classical liberals make is that the more desirable for all individuals are the available alternatives, the better it is. This ethical judgment is consistent with the fact that, ceteris paribus, most individuals want more opportunities, economic growth, and wealth; and it is easy for those who have wealth that they don’t want to give it to friends or charity. Some people may make different value judgments, but it is more difficult to justify imposing them on others.
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Some readers may think that the featured image of this post does not directly relate to its topic. Here is the story. To illustrate my post, I ask ChatGPT and DALL-E to depict “a very poor woman in a very poor country who is scavenging in a dump to survive and feed her children.” Obviously, she must judge her choice of activity to be the least undesirable option in her circumstances; A could be prostitution. (See my Regulation review of Benjamin Powell’s Out of Poverty.) ChatGPT refused to generate such an image because his “guidelines prioritize respect and sensitivity towards all individuals and their circumstances.” I spent about an hour trying to persuade the dumb machine that my request did not violate his trainers’ guidelines. I finally gave up and asked for an image of “a government office. There are lots of cubicles with bureaucrats in front of computers. In the corner office, we see the politically appointed director who has big red hearts radiating from his body.” The featured image of this post is what “he” produced.
READER COMMENTS
steve
Mar 25 2024 at 11:44am
“One example of a value judgment libertarians and classical liberals make is that the more desirable for all individuals are the available alternatives, the better it is. ”
I like this phrasing. I think it is too often phrased as more choices is better. There are examples where that is clearly not true.
Steve
Pierre Lemieux
Mar 25 2024 at 2:28pm
Thanks, Steve. I did devote much reflection to this sentence. It does, however, for any given individual, include the standard “more choice is better than less choice.” It is better to have the choice between heavy surgery and a high probability of death in the short run than to be forced to choose one of the alternatives; between paying the ransom to one’s kidnappers and staying hostage than to be forbidden to choose the former; between several sort of deodorants than only one; and so forth. And if an individual does not want so many choices, he has, in a free society, many way-outs to choose from: he or she can become a monk in a monastery or a nun in a convent; live in a cabin in Montana; enlist in the army; try to go and live in North Korea or Cuba; and many other less radical alternatives.
steve
Mar 25 2024 at 7:31pm
Guess I am being pedantic but I dont like overly broad claims. More choices are almost always better, but not always. We see it with health insurance when people have too many choices they sometimes choose the one that is not best for them, as defined by what they considered best. I saw this running my corporation. We offered many insurance choices, including an HSA. We sent out a description of each plan and its pros/cons, costs/benefits. Several times I had people ask me if I thought they had made the right choice. When I asked them what they wanted out of their choice it would become clear they had chosen an inferior plan, so we usually managed to help them change it.
It turned out that in every case but 1 they simply didnt read through every plan or the summary we gave them. In the singular case they clearly didnt understand the plans but in the cases they said it was just too many to read through and assess so they just chose one that seemed reasonable. If you pay attention to how people really behave it’s pretty clear that sometimes people are lazy, take the easy path or wont ask for help for whatever reason.
Steve
Craig
Mar 25 2024 at 8:16pm
“It turned out that in every case but 1 they simply didnt read through every plan”
They were making a decision with imperfect information. Such is life, sometimes for more forgivable reasons than simply not wanting to read the details. Of course you supply that expert advice to help guide the decision maker. There are various fact patterns that are under the same broad umbrella but I’d suggest the best decision maker remains the individual based on a presumption of rationality, not an irrebuttable presumption in every single circumstance!
Walt
Mar 26 2024 at 12:02am
But then they made the choice not to read the summary.
Jose Pablo
Mar 25 2024 at 9:35pm
We see it with health insurance when people have too many choices they sometimes choose the one that is not best for them, as defined by what they considered best
Then, would it be preferable not having the best plan available as an option? Afterall, eliminating the best option would avoid them making this mistake.
But, wait, in that case they wouldn’t have the best option available to them, either.
In turns out, having the option of making mistakes is a great thing too! (compare with the alternative of some paternal figure telling us what should be the optimal “range of options”)
Paternal figures are great for a while … until they are not.
Jim Glass
Mar 26 2024 at 5:57pm
Yes. People ‘satisfice’ and engage massively in rational ignorance — a concept some economists posit yet also grossly underestimate or ignore.
Details matter. In the case of employee benefits involving serious issues beyond most people’s understanding (e.g.: health care, investing) choices can be beneficially coupled with appropriate “default” choices, empirically verified as best for most.
E.g.: With 401(k) plans to which employees make voluntary contributions in the amount they choose, most choose the default. If the default is 0% of pay most go with that. If the default is 5%, most choose that, etc.
Surveys show that most employees who go several years contributing nothing to their 401(k) later regret it. So it is beneficial to set the default contribution rate at a medium level such as 5%, 7%, whatever, with the choice to change it remaining. The problem of the “lazy” employee who can’t deal with too much information is mitigated and full range of choice remains.
Thomas L Hutcheson
Mar 25 2024 at 2:12pm
Minimum wages are perhaps not the best example for if demand for labor is inelastic and layoffs are stochastic or if hours worked but not number of workers employed are reduced the worker might chose the minimum wage. They would, of course, chose a policy of higher EITC over minimum wages to prevent any disincentive to employers.
Thomas L Hutcheson
Mar 25 2024 at 2:19pm
The “ethical judgment … that, ceteris paribus, most individuals want more opportunities, economic growth, and wealth” does not lead to unmodified individual choices being optimal when some of the choices involve externalities. That requires a collective choice.
Pierre Lemieux
Mar 25 2024 at 2:36pm
Thomas: Isn’t this what they did in Bhutan and, for several decades if not a century, in Argentina?
Mactoul
Mar 26 2024 at 6:58am
And what is wrong with Bhutan?
Isn’t it one of the happiest country?
Under a benevolent monarch and it has maintained a low population and ecological balance.
Jon Murphy
Mar 26 2024 at 6:20pm
And a high level of poverty. GDP per capita is only about $3k.
Mactoul
Mar 26 2024 at 10:06pm
GDP doesn’t measure where the Bhutanese live — which is worth ten times that.
Jon Murphy
Mar 26 2024 at 11:32pm
Ah yes. I forgot you could pay for food in scenic beauty. That’s why poor people only live in ugly areas.
Jose Pablo
Mar 25 2024 at 8:06pm
collective choice.
Could you please elaborate on this concept? (I am still scare to death after reading it)
I see some problems with the subject (who will be making the “choice”?), with the accountability (who will be responsible for the unavoidable mistakes?) and also with the “objective function” (why “collective” choice A and not B?) … among many others.
Just for me to understand, “collective choice” is like when the Chinese government made the “collective choice” of having just one child per family to avoid the externalities imposed by big families?
Walt
Mar 25 2024 at 4:18pm
One of the hallmarks of Mussolini’s fascism was his control of industry, his telling manufacturers exactly what they could and could not produce and in that way limiting what John and Mary could and could not choose to buy. In today”s America, if John wants to buy an incandescent light bulb because the mandated alternative gives him a headache, he can no longer choose to but can merely choose whether or not he wants to read after dark or do so by candle light. Soon, under plans of the current administration, he will no longer be able to choose a gas stove, a steak, a private house in a suburb, , an internal combustion engine (or a car of any kind) or a menthol cigarette (in England, no cigarette at all for the rest of his life). The West, it seems, defining fascism.
Andrea Mays
Mar 25 2024 at 6:12pm
Another application: Payday loans.
Two senators–one from Illinois, the other from Massachusetts–are preoccupied with the high rates of interest and fees that are typical of payday loans. I have never understood the logic of reducing available choices making anyone better off. If payday loans (with onerous fees, etc.) are the choice B of Tom, how will removing that choice (by regulating such loans, perhaps out of existence) make Tom better off?
AMT
Mar 26 2024 at 1:50pm
You have never understood the logic of paternalism? I am always surprised when I hear this. The logic is it protects people from making decisions that harm them, at least in the long run.
A HUGE proportion of the population is financially illiterate and just plain bad at basic math. I can’t tell you how many times when working at banks and as a financial advisor I encountered people carrying large balances on credit cards, while simultaneously putting money into low return investments like treasury bonds. This is very, very, VERY bad.
A big part of the reason people use payday loans is because they can. And they are myopic. The reason utilizing the payday loan superficially seems like a benefit, is because they went out drinking or otherwise spent their money and NOW can’t afford rent. using a payday loan keeps them from getting evicted. Good? But what happens if those loans are no longer an option? The consumers know they will be evicted if they don’t pay the rent, so they don’t spend as much on other things. Their consumption is restricted earlier, before they are allowed to take on the debt. So they don’t end up with a significantly lower standard of living due to debt servicing costs.
Rational people would not by so myopic, but as a five minute conversation with your average voter should inform you, many people are highly irrational.
Pierre Lemieux
Mar 26 2024 at 2:53pm
AMT: I assume you are being ironic. But any authoritarian socialist or rightist (and any collectivist) do think that way. (George Fitzhugh, for example, believed that Southern slaves were much happier as slaves than they otherwise would have been.) These people must never have had a five-minute conversation with a politician to imagine that Trump and Biden are more “rational” when making choices for other people and coercing them to obey.
AMT
Mar 26 2024 at 5:21pm
Pierre, I take it you would claim that there are never any situations in which paternalism can be justified or that it can lead to better outcomes?
Jon Murphy
Mar 26 2024 at 5:29pm
I cannot speak for Pierre (although I suspect his answer), but I would say that there is never a situation where paternalism can improve an outcome, either in theory or in reality. The handful of arguments (like Thaler’s “Nudge”) relay on false assumptions and question begging.
AMT
Mar 26 2024 at 10:12pm
Jon, it is very interesting you say that paternalism cannot even lead to better outcomes in theory. So, you apparently do not believe people can irrational or uninformed, which very ironically, shows no further discussion between us could be fruitful.
Pierre Lemieux
Mar 26 2024 at 11:04pm
AMT: I think Jon and I (certainly I) have been speaking of coercive paternalism.I may think that, in a certain situation, a person is making a choice that will turn out to be detrimental to him (compared to his alternative choices). I may offer advice, sometimes perhaps harrassingly. I may strongly suggest that this person consult others. Don’t we do this with friends and lovers all the time? But all this is different from threatening fine, jail, or other forms of coercion if the person persists in his or her adult’s choice. (I may even feel paternalistic toward somebody who favors coercive paternalism!)
Jon Murphy
Mar 26 2024 at 11:35pm
AMT-
People certainly can be irrational and uninformed. Happens all the time. However, most cases of irrationality are nothing more than differing values, so true irrationality is quite rare.
But, even were it common, it doesn’t logically follow that paternalism will correct outcomes even in theory.
AMT
Mar 27 2024 at 11:30am
Pierre, it sounds like you think advice is fine, but anything “coercive”, such as limiting choices, can never be good for society overall. So, ALL OSHA regulations necessarily cause net harm to society, as do seatbelt laws, essentially any kind of consumer protection laws, basically any kind of regulation except maybe those targeting an externality?
Jon Murphy
Mar 27 2024 at 5:22pm
It would support both the theory and the emperical evidence
Pierre Lemieux
Mar 29 2024 at 1:06pm
AMT: The problem is your “good for society overall.” Society overall does not exist except as different individuals with their own preferences and choice interests. Consequently, it is difficult to interpret “good for society overall” in any other way than “favorable to each and every individual pursuing what he sees as good for him (or her, of course).” This means that individual liberty is the only thing that is “good for society overall.” When you enquire about how, or to which extent, each individual can pursue his own good, you need to find out what are the conditions for that to be possible. This is when you get into Buchanan or Hayek on the mainstream liberal side, and into theorists such as de Jasay on the anarchist side.
Jim Glass
Mar 26 2024 at 6:19pm
I have heard that argument countless times during my adult decades, regarding all kinds of issues. Yet I have never once heard the logically necessary follow-up…
“I am a middle class American who is incapable of making my own decisions in a way that doesn’t harm me. The same goes for my peers, friends and family, who are no smarter than me. Will you please paternalistically make our decisions for us to save us from hurting our foolish selves? That will get our votes for you!”
Somehow the person speaking in favor of paternalism always imagines himself the wise and benevolent distributor of it, never one of the hapless ignorant masses in sore need of being on the receiving end of it. Although arithmetic says….
AMT
Mar 26 2024 at 10:33pm
Jim, that is a straw man. The argument is very rarely “I am too stupid to make good decisions,” rather it is that others are. I already explained that extremely clearly.
Further, if anyone does say they personally would benefit from paternalism, they will likely argue this is due to a lack of information and high costs to obtain information. Therefore, the framing is to prevent “greedy” corporations from misleading and profiting off of “innocent” consumers. E.g. OSHA regulations where there is a large asymmetry between employers and employees regarding the risks of certain work. Alternatively, many people are aware they might lack the willpower to act in their long-run best interest, and want the option to harm themself removed. E.g. “Get those chips away from me, they are too tempting!”
Jon Murphy
Mar 26 2024 at 11:36pm
Jim’s argument isn’t a straw man. As you demonstrate here, his comment gets to the very core of yours.
Richard W Fulmer
Mar 27 2024 at 10:35am
You’re making a leap from “certain individuals under certain circumstances may want fewer options” to “therefore the government must coercively curtail certain options for every individual in all circumstances.”
AMT
Mar 27 2024 at 11:54am
Richard, of course it would not make sense to restrict everyone just because some people are harmed. Determining the optimal policy would involve some kind of a cost-benefit analysis estimation. You would end up only restricting options that cause harm but are very rarely or never rational.
Richard W Fulmer
Mar 27 2024 at 12:25pm
That’s a bit of a motte and bailey argument. Your “motte” was restricting/banning credit card debt, payday loans, certain operational practices (OSHA regulations), and potato chips. When challenged you retreated to the bailey of “only restricting options that cause harm but are very rarely or never rational.”
No one here is arguing against bans on murder, theft, rape, extortion, or fraud. We’re arguing against paternalistic restrictions on people’s options (“you don’t need 23 choices of deodorant,” “you’re not allowed to take out a payday loan,” “you must follow these OSHA-mandated practices that are decades out of date and less safe than newer options”).
AMT
Mar 27 2024 at 5:00pm
Richard, to be clear I did not actually advocate we eliminate potato chips or credit cards, or say all OSHA regulations are good. I gave examples to show by analogy how people can act irrationally, or lack will power or knowledge, to illustrate the logic of paternalism, which was the original point I responded to.
So, I would say payday loans seem to me very rarely beneficial and cause net harm, as explained in my first post. I am not arguing anything else should be restricted for paternalistic reasons. I am sure there are some OSHA rules that are beneficial and a whole lot that are terrible; it will depend on the specifics. But if someone says that zero osha rules could even theoretically be good, that is…very extreme.
Jose Pablo
Mar 25 2024 at 8:18pm
Imagine a society where all available jobs have marginal productivities above the minimum wage and where no rational worker would opt for employment in sweatshops, it is evident that such a society would be “better”.
Given this premise, why would the government impose taxes on businesses (both on investing on them and on running them) that not only pay well above the minimum wage but also maintain working conditions far superior to those found in sweatshops?
Consequently, by taxing such businesses, the government effectively reduces the number of well-paid jobs available, only to attempt to rectify the situation by artificially creating them through bureaucratic intervention.
One might question the wisdom of such a strategy. Maybe it is becasue what help to win elections are “narratives” and not “facts”.
Somebody should develop a “positive” theory on why politicians do what they do. It is about time.
Mactoul
Mar 25 2024 at 8:20pm
Unfettered choice is incompatible with being in a polity and since humans are political, meaning polity-living, animals, — unfettered choice is essentially inhuman.
Just a contemporary example–is it a good thing that people have choice to be male or female? A daily choice, even a choice every living moment?
Who can endure making such a choice every moment?
Thus the economic dogma crashes against human nature and human psychology.
Jose Pablo
Mar 25 2024 at 9:17pm
Yes, having choices is terrible! like the worst!
And choices force us to think. An energy-intensive activity that almost made us extinct! No wonder the brain doesn’t radiate as an evolutionary treat.
Oh, slaves! they are so happy having so limited choices available to them!
And the Chinese, well, the Chinese less than the slaves. But still …
Jon Murphy
Mar 26 2024 at 9:23am
It’s not really clear to me what you are trying to say here.
First, there is no such thing as “unfettered choice.” Choice is always bounded by something, if nothing else than scarce resources. Indeed, if choice indeed were unfettered, there’d be no choice to make!
Second, you move away from unfettered choice and start talking about the number of choices one makes as being bad. But this contradicts a claim you’ve made repeatedly, including implicitly here: that people form societies and government to increase the number of choices they have. So, the implication of your claims is that society is inhumane. Obviously, tht’s not what you mean, but the contradiction needs to be cleared up.
Third, you write: “Who can endure making such a choice every moment?”
Obviously everyone can. This is what we do each and every second of each and every day. We make choices. Do I sleep in or get up early? Go for a run or go into work? Eat breakfast at home or go downtown and get shrimp & grits? Coffee or tea? Humans are constantly making choices. We have evolved various means to make choices quickly; it is the domain of economics to study them.
Thus, contrary to your claim that “economic dogma crashes against human nature and human psychology,” your claim clashes against human nature and psychology.
One other quick point. You claim that humans are ” polity-living” animals. However, evidence contradicts this claim. Humans lived without governments and polities for about 5,000 years (6,600 years if we define a polity as nationalists want to). While various governance structures have shown to help human flourishing (ie increasing choice), they are not needed simply to survive.
Jim Glass
Mar 26 2024 at 6:46pm
Unfettered choice is incompatible with being in a polity and since humans are political, meaning polity-living, animals, — unfettered choice is essentially inhuman.
Just a contemporary example–is it a good thing that people have choice to be male or female? A daily choice, even a choice every living moment?
You can relax. Nobody has unfettered choice. As an example, nobody has the choice to be male or female — to choose one’s own reality. There’s only one reality.
One can choose to pretend to have an unreal choice (“I’m a man, oh, now I’m a woman!”) — to disassociate from reality. And granted, choosing to disassociate from reality is one of the most favorite of all human pastimes, on scales from small and comforting to huge and disastrous. But the fact always remains that there is only one reality, and in the end it will not disassociate from you.
Jim Glass
Mar 25 2024 at 11:22pm
From In Praise of Cheap Labor, by Paul Krugman, of all people, back in the prior century (before, as an econ prof friend of mine put it, somebody left a pod beside his bed.)
Also: Two Cheers for Sweatshops
— The New York Times, of all newspapers, back in the same era.
Pierre Lemieux
Mar 26 2024 at 2:55pm
Jim: Good points. This poor Krugman has to make efforts not to think as an economist. At some point, he did.
Brian
Mar 26 2024 at 8:25am
Thus far, no one has faced the additional problem of how power corrupts.
Pierre Lemieux
Mar 26 2024 at 3:02pm
Brian: You make an important point indeed. But note that even not taking corruption into account, or taking corruption in the mild (and misleading) sense of ordinary self-interest, public choice analysis has shown that there is no reason to believe that politicians and bureaucrats will make better choices than individuals separately–if only because different individuals have different preferences and different individual circumstances and what is the better choice varies with individuals and circumstances.
Jose Pablo
Mar 27 2024 at 7:28pm
He have an unjustified negative view of “political corruption”. “Political corruption” should be legalized.
The development of a transparent free market for “political favors” could yield very interesting (and mostly positive) consequences.
It will make cristal clear the economic value of each political decision for the affected stakeholders.
It will make clear who is interested in political outcome a and who is interested in political outcome b. And how much. Obviously, the political outcome to choose should then be the one supported by the highest bidder.
And, even more interesting, it would highlight the economic value of ‘political power,’ prompting individuals to exercise much more caution when delegating such authority.
Direct democracy would very likely follow. Likely facilitated by technological advancements, or at the very least, “elected politician” will be forced to share with the individuals the proceeds from the selling of political favors.
This will radically cut the politician’s BS (a great relief!!). With enough competition, politicians, will be able to retain but a meager percentage of the proceeds.
Pierre Lemieux
Mar 28 2024 at 1:08pm
Jose: That’s a Rothbardian sort of argument. I was once seduced by such a discourse, believing that morally unconstrained self-interest was sufficient, if not necessary, to maintain a free society. I now think that it is an error and that a minimal ethics is necessary. Buchanan’s little book Why I, Too, Am Not a Conservative makes this point convincingly, as does Hayek’s work. Were Anthony de Jasay’s “capitalist state” viable, he would likely admit that minimal morals (in the form of conventions) would also be necessary. My Econlib review of his book Against Politics, scheduled for next week, supports this point. Mike Huemer‘s defense of anarchy also rests on some widely shared ethics. Just looking at Trump gives us an idea of what a corrupt state would be.
Jose Pablo
Mar 28 2024 at 6:10pm
Just looking at Trump gives us an idea of what a corrupt state would be.
Fair enough, Pierre
Although looking at Trump also gives us a (terrible) idea of what a democratic state could be. Or what a presidential debate can be. Or even what a joint sesion of Congress counting the Electoral College votes could look like
Maybe it is better just not to look at Trump at all.
Jose Pablo
Mar 28 2024 at 11:19pm
The argument also follows Buchanan and Bentley’s view on logrolling. Which is a practice that also lives in opprobrium.
And logrolling is to a “market for political favors settled in cash” like barter is to money. No doubt an advancement. And both logrolling and side payments could be “moral”.
Pierre Lemieux
Mar 29 2024 at 1:14pm
Jose: Yes, logrolling partly compensates for the ban on selling and buying votes. Buchanan and Tullock made this argument in The Calculus of Consent. This is only true, however, if pure redistribution is constitutionally and effectively forbidden. (Tullock had a simple analysis showing that logrolling can result in the whole set of policies having costs higher than benefits, but I suspect this argument has the problems of any standard cost-benefit analysis.)
David Seltzer
Mar 26 2024 at 3:41pm
Pierre wrote: “Value judgment” is the economic jargon for a moral or normative judgment. Please allow me to stray a bit. It is impossible for social engineers to see the full set of possible resource ordering. Free markets exist such that choice goes to highest subjective valued use. Market prices condense information on the value of alternative uses of property and time. Land can be used for a sports arena, a weed farm or any enterprise that generates the best risk-adjusted return. Determining how resources yield the best return of each alternative requires well grounded information. Prices in free markets provide that information.
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