My friend and fellow economist Jonathan Meer of Texas A&M University had a provocative article on Market Watch last Friday in which he advocated making people who refuse to be vaccinated pay for their own medical bills in the event they are hospitalized for Covid. It’s titled “Don’t want the COVID-19 vaccine? Then pay the full cost if you land in the hospital.”
His argument is quite compelling: people should not be allowed to impose costs on others for their own behavior. He writes:
Insurers, led by government programs, should declare that medically-able, eligible people who choose not to be vaccinated are responsible for the full financial cost of COVID-related hospitalizations, effective in six weeks.
Why 6 weeks? Because, he explains, that gives time for pretty much any U.S. resident to get vaccinated.
I like the fact that he leads with government programs because these are least like insurance and more just simply tax-and-subsidy schemes. For Medicare and Medicaid, for example, the taxpayers have no say. For that reason, I was pleasantly surprised to see University of Michigan economist Justin Wolfers tweet an agreement with Jonathan. I would have thought that Justin would want socialized medicine to do in this case what it does generally: shift the costs from some to others. I’m pleased that he opposes this.
When it comes to private insurance, though, Jonathan’s case is less compelling. He argues that an insured person who doesn’t get vaccinated and goes to the hospital imposes costs on “others in their insurance group.” That’s not as clear as he thinks, although it could be true. Whether it’s true depends on how health insurance rates are set. If they’re set based on past experience, then he’s right; if they’re set in a forward-looking way, based on what’s expected in the future, then he’s wrong, as long as the Covid crisis is short term. Also, there’s another problem. I doubt that the insurance contract stated that in the event that the person gets Covid and didn’t get vaccinated, the insurance company won’t pay. So Jonathan’s proposal, if applied to non-government health insurers, is essentially to rewrite the contract in the middle of the period it covers. That’s a pretty serious breach.
Jonathan recognizes the slippery slope that follows from his argument for making those who don’t get the vaccine bear the cost. He writes:
The most common objection to this policy is a slippery slope argument: what if the insurers stop covering the health outcomes of other lifestyle-driven diseases, like cirrhosis or Type 2 diabetes? Or not covering health costs for those who are unbelted in auto accidents?
How does he answer it? He writes:
Health insurers already do charge more to people who smoke and are permitted in many states to exclude coverage when injuries arise from illegal acts or under the influence of drugs – including alcohol. And a full debate about whether people should be charged more when engaging in certain activities is not unreasonable if the costs of these kinds of choices are going to be spread to everyone.
He seems to hesitate, though, writing:
But more importantly, there is a direct and clear connection between vaccination and the likelihood of serious complications from COVID, unlike the decades-long development, mediated by genetics, between many health behaviors and serious illness. A more apt comparison would be if a safe single-shot cure for Type 2 diabetes was developed. The rest of us would be justified in refusing to cover the costs of complications for diabetes for anyone who refused to take the cure.
For him, it seems important that other conditions can develop over decades as a result of unhealthy behavior. He doesn’t say why this matters and indeed, in his previous paragraph I quoted, he seems to be saying it’s legitimate to charge smokers more for health insurance even if the bad results take decades.
Interestingly, a lot of the commenters on the Market Watch site are quite willing to slide down that slippery slope.
Jonathan goes on to write:
Those of us who are vaccinated did the responsible thing.
A little too simplistic. There’s not just one responsible thing. People who have had Covid actually have more protection against Covid than people who got both vaccines. So how is it irresponsible for them to refuse the vaccine?
Unfortunately, the only people Jonathan mentions who object to the vaccine are “[t]hose who continue to believe that COVID is no more than a cold, or that the pandemic is a sophisticated fraud, or that sheep parasite medicine is more effective than vaccines with shockingly good efficacy.” Notice what groups are missing? People who’ve had Covid, people who have some reason to fear a bad reaction to the vaccine, and very young people, to name three groups.
READER COMMENTS
robc
Aug 11 2021 at 4:56pm
If we had a free-market health care system AND insurers had been smart enough to put that in the contract before it was signed I would say “Yes.”
Without both of those in place, Betteridge’s Law stands undefeated*.
*not technically true.
Mike Hammock
Aug 11 2021 at 5:22pm
I don’t think this is correct. At best it is not clear. This recent CDC study found vaccination offers twice the protection against reinfection than natural infection. There are also earlier lab experiments that found the same result.
There is, of course, evidence that natural infection does provide some immunity, but I haven’t seen any studies showing that natural infection is superior. Perhaps there are some, but if so, that would make agnosticism the prudent position.
David Henderson
Aug 11 2021 at 5:31pm
You wrote:
Yes, that’s what it shows. That doesn’t contradict my statement. It shows that even if you’ve had Covid, you’re even more protected getting the vaccine afterwards than not getting it. I don’t dispute that. But my statement is that having had Covid gives you better protection than getting the vaccine does.
Mike Hammock
Aug 11 2021 at 6:18pm
I see your point. I see one study from Israel that shows a tiny advantage for natural immunity regarding infection, and no advantage regarding hospitalization. Are there other studies showing a larger difference?
David Henderson
Aug 11 2021 at 10:16pm
I don’t know but here’s what Charley Hooper, my co-author on some articles and one book, wrote in a recent email:
The normal goal of vaccines is to replicate natural infections without the actual infection. In other words, natural infections are the gold standard and good vaccines equal or come close to the immunity provided by natural infections.
No one wants a natural infection with SARS-CoV-2. But now that some have had it, they have a level of immunity. Based on the evidence I’ve seen, their immunity is probably better than that from the vaccines.
It’s the first of his bullets that I was thinking of. So I was going simply by theory, not empirics: every once in a while, I’m an Austrian.
Alan Goldhammer
Aug 12 2021 at 7:13am
This is simplistic and not correct. Vaccines elicit an antibody response to the delivered antigen. In some cases they work very well and in others (the seasonal influenza vaccine) the response is variable. The vaccine construct is critical as well in terms of side effects and immune response. The whole cell B. pertussis vaccine (whooping cough) was long associated with larger than normal adverse side effects which led to vaccine hesitancy in many Euro countries during the 1970s (I was doing research in this area back then). Although less efficacious, the sub unit vaccine was developed that eliminated most of the side effects and now is in universal use.
Dylan
Aug 12 2021 at 9:23am
Early evidence suggests the opposite is true, particularly when it comes to variants, that vaccine acquired immunity is superior to natural acquired immunity and is also expected to be longer lasting. The piece I linked to speculates on a couple of reasons why that might be but the truth is we don’t really know just yet. I’d be careful making assertions to the contrary without more evidence.
Monte
Aug 12 2021 at 8:53pm
Dylan,
Early evidence suggests the opposite is true, particularly when it comes to variants, that vaccine acquired immunity is superior to natural acquired immunity and is also expected to be longer lasting.
A more recent study indicates that recovered COVID-19 patients show broad and effective immunity to the disease. And we’re starting to hear more about waning antibody levels in vaccinated vs recovered patients. As you point out, it’s premature to jump to any conclusions about vaccine vs natural immunity efficacy.
On a separate but related note, why should those who exhibit irresponsible or aberrant behavior (alcoholism, drug abuse, overeating, smoking, etc.) bother with health insurance at all if, as a society, we’re going to impose an uninsurable cost on them?
Monte
Aug 13 2021 at 12:17am
My original link isn’t working. Try here
Brian
Aug 18 2021 at 6:58pm
Mike,
This is not correct. The numbers from Israel show that breakthrough cases for natural immunity are 6.7 times less likely than for vaccines. Israel is seeing substantial breakthrough infections from the Delta variant, but very few are among the naturally immune.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762
Andre
Aug 11 2021 at 11:37pm
This argument strikes me as pointless because even if such line of reasoning were granted, enforcing the Covid vaccine-skipping consequences would be very low priority. If we’re going to deny healthcare on the grounds that people brought Covid costs upon themselves, then we have far, far bigger fish to fry.
If we’re going to deny people access to the medical system who do things to themselves, then neither type 2 diabetes nor lung cancer care for smokers should be ever be paid for by the public (nor any emergencies resulting therefrom). Over a decade, those alone would dwarf Covid costs. They are all entirely self-inflicted.
Much bigger, about 90% of heart related disease issues are self-inflicted and therefore wouldn’t quality for coverage either – including heart attacks and strokes. None of the associated expenses, including statins and other medications, nor surgeries, stents (generally worthless as elective operations already) should be covered under this way of thinking. Almost all of these medical maladies are due to arrestable and sometimes reversible disease from saturated fat and cholesterol-laden food consumption (as demonstrated by Esselstyn, Ornish, and other studies).
Self-inflicted heart disease related deaths, almost all preventable, killed way more Americans than Covid last year, have so far this year, and will on into the future. As did cancers, two-thirds of which are self-inflicted.
Meer apparently nods in the direction of insurers sometimes charging more or denying coverage, but for the overwhelming majority of insureds, that’s nonsense. Insurers don’t deny coverage (at least to those with employer coverage) because insureds are obese or eat high saturated fat, cholesterol laden diets. I’ve never heard of insurers refusing payment for heart surgery because the insured was 50 pounds overweight or ate too many bad foods.
Heck, the U.S. government actively refuses to call out unhealthy foods by name, because the same department is responsible for both the promotion of unhealthy foods and the promotion of nutrition information. Guess which side wins.
JK Brown
Aug 12 2021 at 12:52am
It would be interesting to see how far hospitalizations fall when the hospitals know they’ll never get paid, or will only recover a fraction of the bill. It would certainly also shift to more medical assistance upon positive test rather than waiting for hospitalization as they do now. People might not call their physician as early, or the hospitals may resist filling beds unless the case is much more severe. After all, if the patient dies, there’s an estate that might be able to pay the bills.
A 26-yr old I know recently tested positive, he was advised to take Robitussin, vitamin A, zinc, etc. No actual therapeutics, not even the maligned hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin. Both have are cheap and have reported benefits, yet they are denied for use even if your physician wants to prescribe, unless they go against medical, pharmacy associations and official government advisories.
But if people are on the hook for the cost, then patients will demand to try these cheap and reportedly somewhat effective therapeutics.
Peter
Aug 12 2021 at 4:24am
I think we are using the wrong slippery slope with long term slow conditions. A better question for Jonathan would be things like HIV (risky sex / didn’t take a PrEP), or rabies (didn’t take vaccine), or brain eating microbes (your own fault swimming in a fresh water lake without a nose plug). Suicide treatment as well if you survive it, I mean they did injure themselves.
Vivian Darkbloom
Aug 12 2021 at 5:35am
I agree with the general principle that those who voluntarily undertake additional risk should bear that additional risk themselves. This applies, for example, to smokers. But, the problem with Meer’s proposal is that he effectively denies *any* covid insurance coverage for the unvaccinated. Even smokers are not denied any insurance coverage or reimbursement. The are required to pay additional premiums for the *marginal costs* of their voluntary behavior. This makes me suspect that Meer wants to use this tool only as a club and not as any rational means to allocate risk.
Granted, it’s not easy to calculate the additional risk insured persons create through various voluntary behaviours. However, insurers do this all the time with respect to smokers, drivers with prior trafffic violations, etc.
The problem currently is that the ACA does not permit private insurers to charge risk-adjusted premiums for anything but smoking. An acceptable, and even for me recommended change would be to allow insurers to charge adults risk-adjusted premiums for failure to vaccinate unless they can establish a valid medical condition that prevents it.
Tyler Wells
Aug 12 2021 at 7:03am
If we are going to make them pay their own hospital bills, we should first give them a refund for their share of taxes (and debt) that went into all of government Covid treatment operations. Might not be a bad deal, as I would assume most people who are unvaccinated are young and healthy and not high-risk. Of course, these people suffered far beyond the financial, many misssing out on more than a year of schooling, sports, careers, and socialization in order to, as they see, give the Boomers the illusion of immortality. There should be a way to transfer some of that back to them.
zeke5123
Aug 12 2021 at 7:59am
I know some think it deadwood, but Art 1, Sec X, Clause 1 states of the US constitution states “No State shall enter into … [a]Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts.”
I could see how insurance companies could do this prospectively. But seemingly would be a contractual violation if ex post (i.e., insurance couldn’t do it unilaterality) and states couldn’t pass a law permitting insurance companies to do it ex post.
There of course is the other slippery slope not mentioned (though discussed as a problem with this proposal) — impairing valid contracts because of a politically popular program will lead to more impairment of valid contracts. That isn’t good.
David Henderson
Aug 12 2021 at 10:17am
Good point.
Jonathan didn’t mention it. I did.
Michael Rulle
Aug 12 2021 at 8:03am
One of our many “fixes” to the health system was to include pre-existing conditions in insurance (under certain conditions that is fair——if one was forced out for a period of time e.g,). Our health care system is like MMT——random nonsense with silly arguments on the margin.
In other words, it is a disaster —-not for half the country—-just the other half—-. It will NEVER get better. (Can one realistically be so cynical and pessimistic—-never is a long time—-so maybe never is too long——how about “no end in sight”?). So, of course non-vaccinated people should be treated. Why does our dummy system want to pick on them?
Plus—-just the absurd obsession with this disease (just because it is an obsession does not mean it isn’t real) is itself absurd. For what it’s worth——I like the obvious approach—-try to,vaccinate as many people (although 42% for Pfizer on last test? —-of course it did not mention percent of deaths) as possible and then FORGET ABOUT it—-in the obsessive sense.
Forget masks please——we do not even use them right—-waer them if you want—-buy your n-95s—-don’t invite the unmasked to your house—-keep the dopey govt out of it. Yeah—-I can be for forcing teachers to be vaccinated—they get so much from the govt—-although I cannot really justify it. Send your kids to school with masks—-but schools cannot make them wear it.
Almost like freedom! Most of all——yes really most of all——no changing election procedures ——-The states have already given in nothing we can do about it—-just no federal,over rude.—
Jon Murphy
Aug 12 2021 at 10:14am
Not to mention people who have poor access to medical firms who can offer the vaccine (as is the case in many impoverished areas), historical fears (anecdotally, many of my minority friends discuss the Tuskegee Medical Experiments as the grounds for their refusal).
Floccina
Aug 12 2021 at 2:02pm
I do not see how it would be a problem if the proposal is to start in 6 weeks. Most insurance can be cancelled at any time (not life insurance though). People will often complain, I paid money to that insurance company for years and never used it and they dropped me, but they just bought insurance for that period.
Thomas Lee Hutcheson
Aug 12 2021 at 3:21pm
The unvaccinated already impose external costs on the vaccinated and other unvaccinated people. What is the best way to force internalization of the externality? Probably a vaccine mandate.
zeke5123
Aug 13 2021 at 10:48am
Coase tells us that the exposure is bilateral (i.e., the unvaccinated only impact the vaccinated to the extent vaccinated is next to the unvaccinated).
Also, if vaccinations are generally effective about prevent material damage (even if it allows getting COVID), then…there isn’t much harm for the vaccinated.
Peter Watt
Aug 12 2021 at 3:31pm
In my humble opinion the whole debate is framed and fed by covert vaccine marketing efforts.
David Henderson
Aug 12 2021 at 4:01pm
Alan Goldhammer above writes that Charley Hooper’s statement is “simplistic and not correct.”
I can’t comment on simplistic. Short pithy statements usually are. But the charge of error is more serious. Alan makes a series of statements, all of which I think are true and none of which shows any error in Charley Hooper’s claim.
Sean
Aug 12 2021 at 4:21pm
By this logic people who suffer I’ll effects of the vaccine should not have their healthcare paid for. Why is the risk of only one side of the issue, especially when we do not know any long term risks. We do know that people have various blood and heart inflammation issues.
dennis
Aug 12 2021 at 4:32pm
The article quoted Jonathan and the slippery slope argument… “what if the insurers stop covering the health outcomes of other lifestyle-driven diseases, like cirrhosis or Type 2 diabetes?” Why stop there? To be honest we could add to that list AIDS (which would suddenly infuriate a whole bunch of people). But AIDS and STDs are lifestyle-driven diseases — I don’t fear them because I don’t make those lifestyle choices. We could even add most abortions. Getting pregnant was almost always a choice. If you don’t prevent the pregnancy (if you don’t get the covid shots), then you pay for the delivery or abortion (then you pay for your covid treatment). Same thing.
Thomas E Flanagan
Aug 12 2021 at 10:32pm
Shame on you, Jonathan Meer. Your opinion and attitude do not make you the arbiter of all that is good and right and responsible. The notion that unvaccinated individuals should be exempt from health care benefits is more half-baked than compelling. There are dozens of reasons why responsible citizens do not wish to have this vaccine in its present state foisted upon them, the very least of which is because they don’t have to, and don’t really need to provide explanations.
Just because my neighbor did not get vaccinated, does not mean that I will be more likely to contract this virus. It also does not mean that my neighbor will become a contagion who must be avoided at all costs. It also does not mean that if we were to be at a 100% vaccination rate, that the Covid-19 virus would be rendered useless, and the entire world saved to live another day. Believe it or not, any and all viruses are so small that nobody can view or track them with any degree of accuracy. That is the state of our current science.
Furthermore, by your logic anyone with a marginal health condition, or who engages in any sort of “risky” health-related behavior should be blackballed from the privilege of health insurance. Welcome to the reality which is called human nature. Cutting off health insurance in order to incentivize people into getting vaccinated might work in the short term, (to what real end, I can’t imagine) but I bet that most of the great unwashed are planning on sticking to their guns, quite literally.
You are wading into murky water here, my friend. Do you suggest that we create a new Federal Agency of Health Morality? And just whom would you like to see as the Health Morality Czar? Are we to birth into existence a new class of unvaccinated persons, the idea of which will provide the rest of us with a sense of moral superiority and class distinction? Can you not see the natural progression of your foolish logic? Health Care for (most) All will definitely not provide an assist to get us through this health crisis. I don’t know who you think you are, but you need to knock it off.
TF
Alonzo Lyons
Aug 13 2021 at 3:18am
The rushed, experimental, unapproved, untested (particularly no longitudinal analysis) Frankenshots fit neither the standard FDA definition of a ‘vaccine’ nor standard legal definition. Why refer to them as such?
Even Big Pharma giant Pfizer seems to know this as it is not requiring its employees to inject the experimental potion into their bloodstreams. Same for the NIH and CDC staff, too.
Meanwhile, are you also unaware that the Infection Fatality Rate is a mere fraction of 1%? The vulnerable tend to be elderly with MORE THAN ONE chronic precondition — ever heard of selective quarantine if anything?
Are you at least aware that the average age of death attributed to Sars-CoV-2 (incentivized coding for it notwithstanding) is nearly the average life span precisely? And for fit people in most age categories even influenza is more perilous? By the way, where is the flu? Pneumonia, too? Is covfefe19 simply flu rebranded — the diagnostic spectrum is hardly differentiated (same goes for the common cold, too). Moreover, PCR tests are highly fallible, too, and the CDC is discontinuing their use (in case you missed it) after a year of a panic-pandemic driven by testing asymptomatic people and then locking down healthy people.
The overreaction and overreach has been lethal, particularly for humans vulnerable to poverty, hunger and starvation. In other words, STOP THE FEAR PORN that has devastated economies, livelihoods and lives. The fever pitch frenzy (pun intended) that you contribute to has deathly consequences.
Meanwhile, here’s the latest on ‘sheep parasite medicine’ — https://t.co/gkxPcVdfAL?amp=1
A more comprehensive compendium of ivermectin study citations is available here for people not suffering from Dunning-Kruger and still capable of mustering an iota of intellectual curiosity: c19ivermectin.com
Sue
Aug 13 2021 at 5:18am
It is not the unvaccinated who are the problem. The problems we are having with COVID are because the FDA/CDC/NIH/WHO and some “leaders” will not allow lifesaving therapeutics like ivermectin, Fluvoxamine, and Methylprednisolone to treat/cure COVID.
https://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-ynvmr-f7ddd92
Dr. Pierre Kory discusses his treatment protocols at every stage of the coronavirus virus
https://rumble.com/vkj7yg-dr.-mccullough-the-never-needed-to-be-lockdowns-the-covid-myth.html – Dr. Peter McCullough MD, MPH on how to effectively treat COVID and make COVID a manageable and treatable virus
https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf – early treatment guide
Currently, the vaccinated are ending up in the hospitals sick and dying because of antibody dependent enhancement (ADE), which makes the vaccinated much more vulnerable to complications from COVID.
https://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-jj6ih-f88e2de
Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA technology, discusses the problems with the vaccines, ADE caused by the vaccines, as well as effective therapeutics to treat COVID.
The countries with the most vaccinated citizens (Israel, England, Scotland, Iceland, Gibraltar, etc.) are doing much worse with the current COVID outbreaks than the countries that did not require mandatory vaccines. (Why is this information so hard to get out to the public?)
Compare the low vaccination rate of the Palestinians to the highly vaccinated Israelis. Unfortunately, the Israelis are faring much worse with COVID.
There have been over 50,000 deaths and over 500,000 adverse events from the COVID vaccines. There have been more deaths and adverse events from the COVID vaccines than from all the deaths and adverse events from all other vaccines combined since 1997. (Why did the CDC take the VAERS database offline so the public can no longer see the number of deaths and adverse events?)
Now the vaccinated not only risk dying from the vaccine, but are dying from COVID at a higher rate than the unvaccinated.
Sweden did not lockdown or require masks and they do not have a very high vaccination rate, yet Sweden had very few COVID outbreaks and zero deaths in the past week. Maybe early treatment and natural immunity is best.
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-3791(21)00203-2
Longitudinal analysis shows durable and broad long-term immune memory after SARS-CoV-2 infection with persisting antibody responses and memory B and T cells.
There are over 100 countries that are not vaccinating their citizens but not a single one of them has been overrun by COVID deaths. There are over 211 million people in Nigeria but only 2200 COVID deaths. Could the Nigerians have a low death rate from COVID because they take hydroxychloroquine daily to prevent malaria?
Could early and preventative treatment with therapeutics (combination of ivermectin, Fluvoxamine, and Methylprednisolone along with Quercetin/hydroxychloroquine, zinc, vitamin D3 and C) be the answer to treating/curing COVID rather than ineffective vaccines, masks, lockdowns, passports, and now the potential for the denial of health insurance??
We need smarter/better approaches to COVID as well as better approaches to any new disease/virus that will arise in the future. We need sharing of scientific research and information rather than cancelling and destroying anyone including doctors and scientists who have different approaches or whose research is different/contradicts the FDA/CDC/NIH/WHO, etc. The silencing of contrarian voices is destroying science and medicine, causing ridiculous approaches to handling disease outbreaks, and is costing lives.
Lisa
Aug 15 2021 at 10:35pm
There have been people who have gotten COVID twice, so it is probably safe to say they do not have any more immunity than a vaccinated person.
Insurance companies would be wise to write this into their policies for 2022. At this point, if one has chosen to be unvaccinated without a legitimate medical reason (such as the ineligible) they deserve the bills that go with that risk. The vaccinated shouldn’t shoulder the cost of willful ignorance.
After all, if one does not trust the vaccine how can one possibly trust the hospital or the treatment Regeneron, especially if the argument is “but it’s not approved by the FDA.”
Terry Sims
Sep 6 2021 at 1:02am
Not everyone with type 2 diabetes has it because of poor lifestyle. Some of us have it due to low functioning thyroid. And, thyroid medications do not help you lose weight once insulin resistance. You can exercise until the cows come home, but the weight does not come off. I exercise every day. I do it to keep myself healthy as I possibly can, but I stop expecting any weight loss a long time ago. As far as diet goes, I have multiple food allergies so my diet is very restricted.
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