
One main component of Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal was the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), which cartelized hundreds of American industries. If FDR’s goal was, as the name of the act implies, to help industries recovered from the depth of the what would later be known as the Great Depression, the NIRA never made sense. When you cartelize an industry, you cut output and raise prices. With output being so low, you make the situation worse, not better.
My EconLog co-blogger Scott Sumner posted yesterday about an interesting letter that John Maynard Keynes wrote to Franklin D. Roosevelt during FDR’s first year in office, 1933. Scott highlighted the parts of the letter that interested him, having to do mainly with monetary policy. Scott briefly mentions Keynes had wise things to say about the NIRA but doesn’t quote them.
They’re worth quoting and they are largely wise, with a dose of silly. It’s possible that the silly is there so that FDR could heed the criticism of what must have been one of his pet projects.
Keynes writes:
Now I am not clear, looking back over the last nine months, that the order of urgency between measures of Recovery and measures of Reform has been duly observed, or that the latter has not sometimes been mistaken for the former. In particular, I cannot detect any material aid to recovery in N.I.R.A., though its social gains have been large. The driving force which has been put behind the vast administrative task set by this Act has seemed to represent a wrong choice in the order of urgencies. The Act is on the Statute Book; a considerable amount has been done towards implementing it; but it might be better for the present to allow experience to accumulate before trying to force through all its details. That is my first reflection–that N.I.R.A., which is essentially Reform and probably impedes Recovery, has been put across too hastily, in the false guise of being part of the technique of Recovery.
What Keynes is getting at is what I said above: you don’t help an economy increase output by reducing output.
The “silly” is his vague reference to ” the social gains” being large. I don’t know what he means by that, but it’s hard to see the social gains being large and positive if the social gains are negative. As noted, there was less output overall than if the NIRA had not been in force. Of course, I’m taking Keynes literally here and including all of society in the adjective “social.” Maybe Keynes had in mind a subset of society, or maybe he was blowing smoke to, as I suggested above, get FDR to pay attention.
Later in his letter, Keynes hints at what these social gains might have been, writing:
I do not mean to impugn the social justice and social expediency of the redistribution of incomes aimed at by N.I.R.A. and by the various schemes for agricultural restriction. The latter, in particular, I should strongly support in principle. But too much emphasis on the remedial value of a higher price-level as an object in itself may lead to serious misapprehension as to the part which prices can play in the technique of recovery. The stimulation of output by increasing aggregate purchasing power is the right way to get prices up; and not the other way round.
Notice that Keynes singles out the restrictions on agriculture output, which, of course, made food more expensive and, thus, the lives of poorer people that much harder. Also, of course, if the government restricts output of food, there is less need for sharecroppers and we get what we got: Okies moving to California in desperate search for work. (I’ve written about that in more detail here and here.)
READER COMMENTS
TMC
Aug 18 2019 at 11:59am
Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Adjustment_Act
Alan Goldhammer
Aug 18 2019 at 3:22pm
David – wasn’t the horrible mid-west drought and resultant dust bowl responsible for a lot of the migration to California?
David Henderson
Aug 18 2019 at 3:55pm
Yes, I think that was a factor.
Bill H
Aug 18 2019 at 7:30pm
Sorry, but FDR’s New Deal made the middle class the outright majority for the first time in human history. The New Deal was a resounding success and the best economic system ever created and implemented in the history of the world. You can also call it, ‘Economic Populism’. Green New Deal? Give me the NEW DEAL, again!
Benjamin Cole
Aug 18 2019 at 8:15pm
With the benefit of hindsight, it aapears the NRA was mistaken.
I wonder why today OPEC rarely is the topic of denigrative blogs. The explicit and stated purpose of OPEC is to restrict output and to subsequently tranfer income to producer from consumer.
nobody.really
Aug 19 2019 at 6:08pm
What was the goal of the NIRA, and what were the “social gains” to which Keynes referred?
1: As I understand it, Roosevelt faced a depression wherein demand for pretty much everything fell. Price for food generally fell below the cost of production. Food producers had a lot of fixed expenses (in land, equipment, dairy cows, etc.), so even if they cut back on production, they couldn’t shed a lot of cost. So rather than cut back, many chose to double-down on production, hoping that producing and selling more food–even at low cost–would generate sufficient revenues to pay the bills. If you get lots of producers adopting this same strategy, you can guess what happens.
Yes, this is an “efficient” outcome for consumers, who enjoy the benefits of producers fighting to the death. But in a nation in which a large percentage of households were in the food biz, ignoring the plight of the family farmer was not a popular option.
Roosevelt wanted to help get supply matching demand at something like the cost of production. He used what limited levers were at his disposal to redistribute wealth down the income scale (Social Security, union protections, etc.), thereby boosting demand. But he also looked to restrict supply–basically getting all ag workers to simultaneously quit the strategy of doubling down on production, so no worker would be profiting at the expense of the others. And yes, this is a similar strategy to that used by labor unions and OPEC.
I understand Henderson to complain that this strategy would result in lower output. And my response would be … yeah, that was the point.
I sense Henderson (and Keynes) would favor a policy of stimulating demand. Who wouldn’t? But given that food was already selling below cost, how much lower would prices need to go to stimulate that demand? In short, it’s not clear that simple Supply-Side Economics was going to do the trick.
2: Now, perhaps supply-side policies would do the trick–eventually. But Roosevelt was dealing with an emergency of epic hopelessness. Remember, other nations responded to this plight by adopting strategies we know as Hitler and Mussolini. Arguably Roosevelt needed symbols of action to give people hope. The action might be useful, or useless, or even detrimental–but they needed by be VISIBLE ACTION.
Recall W’s “surge” in the Iraq War: By 2007 the public was perceiving that the war was a quagmire. W needed some new strategy to give people hope. So he came up with a “surge”–which basically meant boosting the number of troops by about 10%. As a military strategy, there wasn’t much to it. But as a P.R. strategy, is was brilliant.
So perhaps when Keynes talks about the SOCIAL benefits of Roosevelt’s policy, he was referring to the policy’s visibility and symbolic value for giving people hope that the future would be different–SOMEHOW–than the past.
Roger D McKinney
Aug 19 2019 at 9:18pm
Farm prices had been falling rapidly since WWI due to much higher productivity due to much better technologies. Most farmers had to go out of business and leave only the best ones using the best technology. There was no way to save low productivity farmers. All Roosevelt did was make food expensive for poor people.
And Roosevelt didn’t “face” a bad situation. He created it with his stupid policies. See Amity Schlaes’ The Forgotten Man. He created the banking crisis of 1933 by refusing to work with Hoover after the election. He manipulated the price of gold like a silly child. He shafted holders of WWI gold bonds. He forced people to sell gold to the government at his price in exchange for paper dollars, made holding gold illegal, then devalued the dollars he bought the gold with. He refused to get rid of the Smoot-Hawley tariffs. The list of his stupid moves is endless.
Bill H
Aug 18 2019 at 10:56pm
Sorry, but FDR’s New Deal made the middle class the outright majority for the first time in human history. The New Deal was a resounding success and the best economic system ever created and implemented in the history of the world. You can also call it, ‘Economic Populism’. Green New Deal? Give me the NEW DEAL, again!
David Henderson
Aug 19 2019 at 4:08pm
Do you have evidence for those assertions, Bill?
Roger D McKinney
Aug 19 2019 at 9:19pm
Wrong! His stupid policies turned a normal recession into the worst depression in the history of mankind. The depression dug deeper and lasted longer by far in the US than in any other country.
Thaomas
Aug 20 2019 at 1:29pm
No, the Fed did that by failing to hold the price level at a slight upward tick. The macroeconomic damage from silly think like NIRA and AAA were probably offset wise investment in WPA projects and infrastructure
Thaomas
Aug 19 2019 at 10:11am
Keynes was also right about full employment not being the time for deficits. With the “Tax Cuts got the Rich and Deficits Act of 2017” showed themselves as consistent anti-Keynesian
Roger McKinney
Aug 19 2019 at 12:53pm
My family lived in SE Okla during the Depression while my wife’s family lived in SW OK in the center of the Dust Bowl. Most of her family followed the Joads to CA because there wasn’t enough rain to have crops. Het grandfather was too stubborn to leave. The lack of water killed off most of the coyotes which let the rabbit population explode and eat the shoots from any crops that might have survived the drought. My family in SE OK had plenty of rain and so plenty of food. My grandfather would give away food to any family that came by and asked because prices were so low. Money was scarce because there was so little work in towns and most business was done by barter. My grandfather traded a used car for radio. Everything FDR did made life harder for these poor people.
nobody.really
Aug 19 2019 at 3:34pm
– Do you guys sell auto parts? How ’bout a gas cap for my Yugo?
– Well … ok, I guess that’s a fair trade….
Roger D McKinney
Aug 19 2019 at 9:09pm
That’s about right! But keep in mind that radio was very new technology and radios very expensive for the day. And I don’t know how bad a shape the car was in.
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