Kevin Corcoran, a regular reader of EconLog posts and a frequent commenter, sent me some interesting thoughts that are worth presenting here. I’ve made some slight edits, with Kevin’s consent.
I’ll add my own example at the end. Here’s Kevin:
I had a thought recently on how the underlying idea of subjectivity of value, as understood by economists, can be usefully imported to another hot topic issue these days – the concepts of advantage and privilege.
To spell out this idea, I want to first be precise about what I mean when I talk about value being subjective. Many people use the term “subjective” to mean something like “a matter of opinion or preference,” but I mean it in a slightly different, more technical sense. Roughly, to say that a quality is “objective” is to say that it is “in the object,” whereas to say that a quality is “subjective” is to say that it is “in the subject,” as that subject relates to the object. As an example, consider a round picture frame. The fact that the frame is round is an objective quality – there is a property of roundness, and that property exists in the object itself. However, when I look at that picture frame, I might find that it looks very tacky. That quality is subjective – it exists as an internal experience of me, the subject, as I observe the picture frame. If you see the same frame and find it looks classy, that’s your subjective experience. If I say the frame is round and you say it’s square, we are contradicting each other, because we are asserting different objective properties about it. If I say it’s tacky and you say it’s classy, we are not contradicting each other, because we are simply reporting our own separate experiences as subjects. To say something is subjective isn’t quite the same as saying it’s simply a matter of opinion – if I accidentally smack my thumb with a hammer, the pain I feel will be subjective, but that doesn’t mean my thumb being in pain is just my opinion.
With all that in mind, I would also say that whether a particular condition constitutes “privilege” is also subjective – not in the sense that there are differences of opinion on how beneficial some condition is, but in the sense that whether or not a condition is beneficial varies, depending on the subject of that condition. Some might say that being good-looking is a form of privilege, as though such privilege is objective in the sense defined above. But a little reflection makes it clear that whether attractiveness is beneficial is subjective in the above sense. Thomas Sowell outlines this in his book The Quest for Cosmic Justice:
As just one example, a young woman of unusual beauty may gain many things, both personal and material, from her looks, without having to develop other aspects of her mind and character. Yet when age begins to rob her of that beauty, she may be left much less able to cope than others who never had the benefit of her earlier windfall gain.
For someone like this, was natural attractiveness a net benefit or a net disadvantage? I have no idea. I can easily imagine circumstances where it could be either, depending on the person. And the same is true for almost any other condition to which privilege is usually ascribed. With a little empathy and effort, it’s very easy to see how the same set of initial conditions could be advantageous for one person but detrimental to another – even within the same family, let alone the same economic class, race, or any other category.
A personal example comes to mind. I grew up in a very low income family – something many people would immediately peg as a “disadvantage.” However, on reflection, I’m not sure that it was a disadvantage. When I was the proverbial “starving college student,” and for the first couple of years in my career after college, I found it very easy to get by on my very limited income. Because I had grown up with so little, I was able to live a very Spartan lifestyle without even a hint of feeling that I was making any difficult sacrifices. I know many people from that time who had significantly more resources available to them than I did, but who were never able to “get ahead” because cutting back in the way I did, even in the short term, was to them an unspeakable and unreasonable hardship. So, was my low-income background actually an advantage in the long run? Maybe. Or maybe I would be in an even better position now had I come from a wealthier background. I can’t run the counterfactual, so I don’t know for sure – and neither does anyone else.
In his book Seeing Like a State, James Scott argues that a major aspect in top down control is an attempt to make society seem more “legible” in the eyes of the planners. Reality and societies are fantastically complicated things. In order to work around this complexity, states and planners designate society in terms of broad, clear categories, with discrete boundaries separating one concept from another, in a way that doesn’t allow for (or more accurately, doesn’t acknowledge) the messy complications and complexities of reality. These broad, top down, centrally defined categories made society (seem) very “legible,” in the sense of easy to read and therefore (seemingly) easy to rearrange. But, Scott argues, this legibility was never more than an illusion – planners ended up with only a mirage of reality that was easy for them to understand, but fundamentally useless for understanding and adapting the complexities of an evolved social order. People who confidently classify all manner of conditions as objectively constituting either privilege or hindrance end up with a worldview that is very “legible” in James Scott’s sense, but far too simplistic to be of any value, or to provide any insight.
Well done, Kevin.
Now to my own example, which is a lot like Kevin’s example of growing up. My father was variously a high-school principal and a high-school teacher and we had an income that reflected that. When the Manitoba Teachers’ Society got a big raise in the mid-1960s (I think, but am not sure, that it was due to the provincialization of schooling, which gave the union more power than it had when negotiating with local school boards), by the way, our family had steak for the first time and occasionally bought butter instead of margarine. My mother made a little outside money, I’m sure undeclared, bless her heart, teaching piano. I would say that our family income was somewhere between the 45 percentile and the median income in Manitoba at that time.
We lived a little below that income because my father so badly feared another depression.
So until I was about age 10, my weekly allowance was 10 cents; in my early teens, it reached a quarter, and in my mid-teens (about 1965-66), it was $1.
But I wasn’t willing to settle. I wanted a higher income. So I earned it. From about age 7, I started collecting empty soda bottles by the road and turning them in for candy bars (each bottle was worth 1 cent in cash or 2 cents in merchandise) and then arbitraging to my mother. As I got older, I took on other tasks to make money. I could detail them here, because I’m still very proud of what I did, but I want to get to the moral of the story.
The moral of the story is that I learned to manage money at a very early age. I paid most of my way through college and emerged with zero debt. I did that by not drinking alcohol, which didn’t appeal to me; by not dating much, which was probably a mistake; and by never going to expensive events like concerts.
So, like Kevin, I think my family’s income and the choices it led my father to make for me, were an advantage. When I would teach my students the principles of Dwight Lee’s and Richard McKenzie’s book Getting Rich in America: 8 Simple Rules for Building a Fortune and a Satisfying Life, I realized that I was simply reporting what I had figured out early in life.
READER COMMENTS
Matt Taylor
Jul 1 2022 at 4:22am
Lots of truth here and a good read. I think it highlights the problem with privilege. It is a word that has been twisted to the point of zero meaning. The original meaning – a special right granted to someone by law – is clear and definite. You either have a privilege or you don’t. It’s a useful word. Today’s meaning – some difference between your situation and mine, perhaps not due to your own efforts – defines nothing. Each of us is unique, in our body and mind, in our parents, our early experiences, our location in space time, etc. So privilege as difference is a useless word, or a word which only confuses debate. The same is true of monopoly, but I’ll leave that for another day.
Thomas Lee Hutcheson
Jul 1 2022 at 9:41am
I agree that “privilege” is fuzzy, but I think it is a useful concept.
Becasue of my age and race it’s unlikely that I would ever be arrested for trying to crawl in the window of my house. That probably is not true for a person of a different age and race. [I’m thinking of the Henry Lewis Gates incident a few years ago.] I see no problem in calling my position “privileged.”
Kevin Corcoran
Jul 1 2022 at 11:51am
Hey Thomas –
I’m saying something slightly different from your take here. My claim isn’t that privilege is fuzzy, or that it’s useless. I’m claiming that it’s subjective. To say something is subjective doesn’t mean it’s fuzzy. Whether chocolate is tastier than broccoli is subjective, that doesn’t make the idea of tastiness a fuzzy concept. And even if it’s overwhelmingly true that most people do in fact find chocolate tastier than broccoli, it’s still a fundamental mistake to think this means the idea of tastiness is somehow objective.
To tie it back into the attractiveness example, if someone makes a measured comment like “all else equal, attractive people have it easier than ugly people,” I’d be fine with that as a generally true statement. However, some people go from that statement straight into “X is attractive, therefore X’s attractiveness makes them privileged” without noticing the giant, gaping chasm that exists separating the former from the latter. That’s the move that I think is far too simplistic to be useful or provide any insight.
Also, slightly off topic but I think worth noting, I think you’re getting the specifics of Henry Louis Gates wrong. He wasn’t arrested for trying to get into his house, his arrest came after the fact for disorderly conduct. He accidentally got stuck outside his house, and tried to force his way in. Someone from outside the neighborhood saw this, and called in a possible burglary to the police. When the cops arrived and followed up on the call, he told them it was his house, and they asked him if he had an ID to show it was his house. This, apparently, enraged him, because he interpreted the request for ID as something for which racism was the only possible explanation. (Personally, I think the request makes perfect sense – if you’re called to investigate a possible break in at a residence, it would be pretty poor policy to immediately leave if the person who was attempting to force their way in says he lives there. Otherwise, burglars caught in the act would always be able to get away with it by claiming they were just breaking into their own home.) Anyway, the officer went back to his car, Gates came outside and started hollering at him, and Gates was arrested for disorderly conduct, not for attempted breaking and entering. If you wish you test your hypothesis about the privileges you possess, you can find a police officer filling out a report and start hollering at him yourself to see whether you get arrested for disorderly conduct, or if you’re given a free pass because you’re white. I decline to carry out this experiment myself.
(Also, for the record, I rather like Gates – he has written beautifully on both why critical race theory is academic nonsense, and why the very idea of “cultural appropriation” is both pernicious and regressive.)
David Henderson
Jul 1 2022 at 2:55pm
Very nice comment, Kevin.
Thomas Lee Hutcheson
Jul 3 2022 at 3:19pm
Thanks for correcting my unknowing sloppiness in describing the Louis Henry Gates incident, but your more accurate description of events does little to alter the point. I think that at every point in the sequence of events my age and race would have more likely led to a different outcome, including my becoming upset by the whole incident.
Kevin Corcoran
Jul 6 2022 at 11:14am
Hey Thomas –
I think you actually honed in on something that helps illustrate what I was getting at. You say that were you in the same position as Gates, you believe your circumstances would greatly decrease you “becoming upset by the whole incident.” That’s likely true, but it also highlights one of the reasons why I think the treating of “privilege” as a discrete and objective concept, aside from being inaccurate, does more harm than good.
Michael Huemer wrote about how certain ideas can trap you in a self-supporting loop. His example was about sexism, but I’m just going to swap that with racism, because the mechanism is the same:
Several years ago, shortly after I had moved to Charleston SC, I made the mistake of parking in a downtown parking lot that was reserved for VA patients. (Finding parking in downtown Charleston can be a confusing affair, especially when you’re new to town.) A cop spotted this, and spoke to me about it. In the process, he asked for my ID, ran it and my plates through the system, and then asked me if he was going to find any warrants out for me. Now, suppose Professor Gates had been in that parking lot instead of me. What do you think are the odds he would have interpreted this as evidence of the cop being racist? Pretty high, I’d say. He’d have been wrong, but more importantly, he’d have no way of actually knowing he was wrong. He approaches these sorts of encounters with an interpretive framework that, as you correctly note, greatly increases the odds of him becoming upset, but even worse, it also provides no means of detecting a false positive, even in principle.
To use a less trivial example, consider the police killing of Kelly Thomas. The details of this case are more brutal and horrific than even the George Floyd murder. Thomas was white, but had he been black and every other detail of the event had been exactly the same, what are the odds that people would become utterly convinced that this specific killing was down to racism? Again, I’d say extremely high. And is there anything in this worldview that would make it possible for such people to learn if they were mistaken? Unfortunately, no, there isn’t. If a means of interpreting the world has no mechanism built in to detect errors, that does not redound to its credit.
So yes, treating certain conditions as objectively privileging or oppressing increases the odds of Gates becoming upset over perceived racism, but decreases the odds of you becoming upset in an identical situation. But that only undercuts the case for treating privilege as objectively defined. You end up in situations where data points which actually contradict your views will instead seem to confirm it, with no way of learning when you’re mistaken. If your goal is to gain an accurate understanding of reality, this is a uniquely bad approach.
Jose Pablo
Jul 1 2022 at 7:56pm
Why is the “concept of privilege” useful? what for?
I (like Gates) have had the “privilege” of having a bathroom at my disposal for 99%+ of the times I have needed it. A significant percentage of the population of the world have not.
So what?
Thomas Lee Hutcheson
Jul 1 2022 at 9:20pm
For thinking about cases like the one I brough up, even as expanded by Mr. Corcoran in his comment.
James Anderson Merritt
Jul 6 2022 at 4:34pm
I understand and concur with the offered definition of “objective” facts: those that concern the intrinsic qualities of an object. But I think the proposed definition of “subjective” is still somewhat squishy, or at least one of the illustrations provided is a bit off the mark. If you smack your thumb with a (real, not Nerf) hammer, you have objectively experienced some damage and, if your nervous system is operating properly, you will objectively suffer some pain. In any particular case, however, whether the pain or damage are negligible, minor, or severe will depend on the individual. For a given smack (hammer and force of blow held constant), different individuals will experience different levels of pain and damage. A grizzled adult with rough, calloused hands and big bones may well be damaged less and feel less pain than a child with small bones and tiny, tender hands. Also, the adult may be better at blocking out pain and “toughing it” than the child. For me, subjectivity is summarized by, “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” — or more properly, in the mind of the observer — and the discussion does properly distinguish between the perceptions of the observer and the inherent qualities of the thing being observed. In the thumb example, however, the observer and the object are essentially the same, and that conflation may muddle the explanation, as opposed to the “frame” example, which I found clear (but, unfortunately, not sufficiently immune to the insistence that the “subjective” is only a matter of opinion and preference).
Kevin Corcoran
Jul 6 2022 at 5:02pm
Hey James –
I find little to disagree with in your comment – I don’t think you’re expressing a view very different from my own – I just squeezed it all down to a much smaller space which would naturally leave some of the nuances out.
Still, having little to disagree with doesn’t mean I find nothing to disagree with, so I’d push back on one point. You say that after a hammer smack, “you will objectively suffer some pain.” I disagree. After a hammer smack, you will subjectively suffer some pain. Now, one could say “Assuming you have a normally functioning nervous system, it is objectively true that you will have a subjective experience of pain,” but that doesn’t change the fact that pain, as an experience, is subjective.
You correctly note that beauty is in the mind of the beholder. Pain, too, is in the mind of the beholder. The cause of that pain might be objectively describable phenomenon (tissue damage due to blunt force leading to neurotransmitters etc etc), but the experience of pain itself is subjective – it is something that only exists in the mind and awareness of a subject. Different people faced with the same objective stimulus will still have different subjective experiences – which is a normal part of the human condition. And, or so I claim, different people faced with the same initial conditions can gain advantage or suffer disadvantage from those same conditions, depending on the person – the advantage or disadvantage is something which depends on the subject, not on the objectively describable initial condition.
James Merritt
Jul 6 2022 at 6:00pm
Kevin, This kind of discussion all too quickly becomes a dancing angels type of thing, so I will spare everyone by not continuing to argue. If you are going to define pain as a subjective experience, then I guess there isn’t anywhere else to go, and you fairly warned the reader that yours was a technical definition, after all (just as, for instance, the economist’s definition of “demand” is significantly different from the one used in casual conversation). But if “pain” is the process of the neural system delivering information about damage to the brain — or if it is only the raw information itself! — then, at least, “pain” includes a significant objective component, with the reception/acknowledgement and assessment of pain of course being subjective, in the mind of the observer. My point here is not to pin down what “subjective” is, but rather to remark how slippery that term continues to be, even after you have taken pains to craft a crisp definition. I subjectively find your own points to be worth pondering, thank you for making them, and thank Professor Henderson for passing them along.
James Merritt
Jul 6 2022 at 5:41pm
From the article: “…never going to expensive events like concerts.” IIRC correctly, concerts, even featuring big acts, were fairly (looking back, one might say impressively) cheap back in the early 1970s, even when inflation is taken into account. Maybe not so much, perhaps, after adding in the cost of whatever one many have consumed to get and remain in the concert mood … 😉 By the 1980s, however, and thereafter, I clearly recall concert tickets being often offensively pricey as a rule, and that was before parking, “service/convenience” fees, or other charges were added. I am going to say that the late 1960s and early 1970s were the golden era for affordable popular music concerts, and I am glad that I was able to attend at least a few of the shows of that time.
BS
Jul 7 2022 at 11:57am
The underlying general idea is that organisms improve when challenged. The more difficulties you surmount, the more capable you become of surmounting future difficulties. If we were all “Mary Sues” to whom everything came effortlessly, how interesting or useful would we be?
“No pain, no gain.”
BS
Jul 7 2022 at 12:01pm
Off-topic: different than what happened in BC, when local bargaining was used by the BCTF to “whipsaw” – plow resources into a labour dispute in a small district to get a favourable settlement, and then use that settlement in binding arbitration elsewhere. (The province went back to province-wide bargaining.) Digging into the effects of local vs province-wide bargaining might be a graduating thesis for someone.
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