Tyler Cowen recently linked to a debate between Stanford professor Katie Haun and Paul Krugman on cryptocurrency. I found myself torn but I did learn a few things and noticed a few interesting things. It starts with a 36-minute presentation by Haun. Then there’s a 25-minute presentation by Krugman and then a third 39-minute video with Q&A with the audience in Mexico City.
My noting of interesting things is not at all comprehensive; they’re simply things that I found worthy of noting.
Main highlight from the Haun presentation (for me anyway):
I had thought that cryptocurrency was anonymous. Probably many readers know better; I didn’t. Professor Haun absolutely convinced me that if I wanted to engage in illegal behavior, I should use cash, not cryptocurrency.
Main highlight (for me) from the Krugman presentation:
At the 20:14 point: $50 bills and $100 bills are effectively not money. Very few stores will accept $100 bills for a sandwich. Maybe I’m seeing a biased sample but I’m often at Safeway or Lucky in Pacific Grove when someone in front of me pays with a $100 bill. The few times I’ve had $50 bills, I’ve had no trouble. Now it’s true that the people using them have typically not been buying sandwiches, but they have sometimes bought things whose prices are roughly the same as the prices of sandwiches. So, for example, I’ve seen someone use a $100 bill, without raising the cashier’s eyebrows, to buy something whose price is $10.
Main highlights from the debate:
At the 17:42 point: A questioner points out some striking data on cryptocurrency in Mexico.
18:40: The questioner gets to his question. How is a Mexican who wants to spend $10 on a video game supposed to do it if he doesn’t have a credit card or a bank account? In Mexico today, that is a very popular kind of transaction using crypto.
19:10 to about 20:30: Paul has a good answer, I think. His gut feel is that it should be able to be done without crypto but that it’s not because of some regulation that makes that difficult. He does cartwheels to avoid saying that the regulation preventing other methods is probably bad. But still, he has the good economist’s gut feel: when you see something that seems like an elaborate way of doing something when other simpler methods would seem to be available, check for the regulations that are making those other methods too costly or not available.
37:50: Asked by the moderator if Katie Haun’s views shifted Paul’s thinking at all, Paul admits that he was surprised by the use of crypto by low-income, unbanked people, and that he wanted to do some homework on that.
Note: For the Concise Encyclopedia of Economics entry on money, see Anna J. Schwartz, “Money Supply.”
READER COMMENTS
Justin
Nov 27 2018 at 8:29pm
Forgive me if this was covered in the debate, but how exactly are people with no bank account and no credit card acquiring crypto? Is there a cash-for-crypto marketplace that I’ve just never heard of? Very curious about this subset of people who apparently are wealthy and educated enough to own computers, video game consoles, and know about crypto, but just can’t seem to make it to a bank to open a basic account.
greenlander
Nov 27 2018 at 10:59pm
@Justin: There is a site called localbitcoins.com where you can meet people in your city and exchange cash for bitcoins. This isn’t without its problem, but it can be done. There are also some knockoff sites with a similar business model.
There are also bitcoin ATMs scattered around run by various independent companies. You can insert cash and get bitcoins.
Alan Goldhammer
Nov 28 2018 at 1:36pm
I think one can sometimes get $50 bills from an ATM but certainly not $100 bills. Mostly one gets just $20 and $10 in some amount. That explains the paucity of such bills in circulation as they require a visit to the teller. Yes, I also have sometimes seen $100 bills used at grocery stores but not anywhere else.
While I have done a fair amount of reading on blockchain technology, I remain unconvinced about the future of cryptocurrency. It may stay in a niche but until VISA or Mastercard embrace it I cannot see it moving to the mainstream. Seeing some ‘heists’ of bitcoin lockers, it is unclear that the technology has a margin of safety that would prompt ordinary folks to use it. There are now multiple cryptocurrencies out there and it’s unclear whether they are interchangeable or which one will emerge as the preferred one. I’ll stick with my credit cards and PayPal for the time being.
Mike
Nov 28 2018 at 2:38pm
Hi Alan-
You actually can get $100 bills from some ATMs. I don’t use cash much, but was surprised to find this out recently when i needed to withdraw several hundred dollars. Anticipating an annoying stack of $20 bills, i was pleasantly surprised when the machine asked what denominations i wanted and $100 was an option. May not be in widespread use, but this was a Bank of America drive-thru ATM – so could be thousands of them out there across the country.
Adam Ruth
Dec 14 2018 at 7:18pm
$100 bills from ATMs are de rigueur in casinos.
Mr Cash
Nov 28 2018 at 6:03pm
A couple of years ago I visited a teller to buy a few $100 bills for holiday gifts. As she handed me the notes, the teller said, “These are very popular right now.”
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