
Our sister website, Law and Liberty, is hosting a forum discussion on industrial policy. The discussion begins with a masterful piece by Acton Institute’s Sam Gregg. Gregg rejects the notion of “broad-based growth”, defined by the World Bank as economic growth which is “broad-based across sectors, and inclusive of the large part of the country’s labor force.”
There are a number of excellent points Sam’s article (beginning with the first paragraph), but let me single out this passage:
Sectoral economic change has characterized the history of America’s development since the 1790s. In 1800, the U.S. economy was dominated by agriculture and mineral production, with an estimated 85 percent of the workforce engaged in farming. On the eve of the Civil War, America had the world’s second-largest GDP and second-largest industrial base. In 1900, just under 40 percent of the total US population lived on farms, and 60 percent lived in non-metropolitan areas. By 2016, the respective figures were about 1 percent and 20 percent. Beginning in the late-1960s, the move from factories to service-provision started accelerating across the United States, as it did in all the world’s developed economies. In 2015, approximately 80 percent of the American workforce was located in the entire service sector.
These transitions reflect what it means to live in an economy orientated towards the generation of growth. If an economy is to continue growing and competing with the rest of the world, then people and material resources must continuously shift to higher value-added sectors, and, within specific sectors, to the more efficient firms.
That, however, doesn’t mean that entire economic sectors disappear or become less productive. While the percentage of Americans who work in agriculture today is far smaller than what it was 100 years ago, U.S. agricultural productivity has never been higher. Technological developments ranging from tractors in the early twentieth century to high-tech vertical farming in more recent years may have reduced agricultural employment as a percentage of America’s workforce, but they also have magnified agriculture’s output many times over. The same technological transformations have changed the profile of agricultural employment. Agronomists and agricultural scientists, for example, are more needed today than unskilled labor.A similar story may be told about American manufacturing. Although the number of Americans employed in manufacturing has dropped since the 1970s, real manufacturing production grew by 180 percent between 1972 and 2007. By 2019, it had rebounded to pre-Great Recession levels. Today, America continues to rank high among the world’s manufacturing nations and is a major global locus for manufacturing investment.
Thus, while American manufacturing constitutes a smaller slice of the U.S. economy than the services sector, it is more sophisticated and productive than it was 50 years ago. The oft-repeated mantra of economic nationalists that America is de-industrializing is simply false. The service sector may have grown faster and bigger, but that doesn’t imply that the manufacturing sector’s output has shrunk. It simply means that manufacturing’s overall share of the U.S. economy was many times bigger 50 years ago.
The rejoinder to Gregg is by Patrick T. Brown, a fellow with the Ethics and Public Policy Center. Scott Sumner has some brilliant comments on this piece. I would like to add a couple of things. First, Brown’s article begins with a non sequitur:
Gregg offers some worthwhile reminders about inescapable tradeoffs. But if industrial policy advocates sometimes fall victim to a misplaced nostalgia for backbreaking factory jobs, Gregg’s framework downplays the cost of doing nothing. Part of the point of a modern welfare state is precisely to provide a form of social insurance for those caught on the wrong side of economic trends. After all, not every working- or middle-class parent is an aspiring entrepreneur—many just want a steady paycheck and a sense of stability, and feel that an excessively laissez-faire approach to trade and economic growth has undermined their ability to achieve those goals.
Brown’s first point is very sensible: not everybody is an aspiring entrepreneur and indeed the great majority of people aspire not to be one and are far more risk averse than entrepreneurs (of any kind) tend to be. This does not mean by definition that they will be “on the wrong side of economic trends”: you can be an employee in thriving business sectors. Indeed, “social insurance” provided by the welfare state should work (though it is not always particularly efficient) as a buffer for those who are left behind. But then if you have such social insurance, why do you want to have an industrial policy, too?
Brown offers two arguments:
The first, more in the tradition of a Pat Buchanan, is that a properly conservative approach to trade would be more incremental and more concerned with ramifications on community and family life. The second is that a government that turns a blind eye to the existence of positive externalities, or is indifferent to developing a comparative advantage, will find itself on the receiving end of economic trends, rather than driving them.
I find the second particularly unpersuasive. Brown himself later trims it as something like “so far as you have government intervention, industrial policy may be better than other kinds of interventions” (“Accepting government interventions in the economy need not be all or nothing. But once we have accepted certain practices to support the economy, pursuing industrial policy, in a sense, becomes a question of which tax breaks or provisions would be most effective, rather than a question of principle“). I think that besides creating further room for crony capitalism, this argument tends to assume government can be on top of innovation, which I am rather skeptical about – for the very record of industrial policy Gregg mentions in his piece.
But I’d like to note that it is an argument which is not concerned with those who are left behind by abrupt and disruptive innovation. The stress on “managing” trade not to allow a free market to reshuffle society’s values is a more dubious argument than most conservatives assume, as it is somehow predicated on economic forces shaping a society’s values (did not conservatives think the opposite?), but it also assumes that communities need to be preserved as safety nets that are more efficient than government welfare. But the idea that the government should pick winners has little to do with providing aid to those workers who become the losers of the competitive game: it has a lot to do with helping some businessmen to win the competitive game.
On a more general note, I find the title “The perils of inaction” interesting. It beautifully summarizes the rhetoric of all kinds of interventionism, right and left. Inaction will be too expensive, so something should be done and possibly now. This even in context in which we have very limited information to make choices that are correct (for example in picking winners). I find more promising and consistent, if we care to, to deal with the crisis of communities and traditional social structures, or to unemployment in some particular area, as problems in themselves, to be tackled as such. That sounds more reasonable, and humble, than endorsing industrial policy, which is intrinsically alternative to (and not correcting of) a free market, as it changes it from a competition for consumers’ favor to a competition for bureaucrats’ favor. When it comes to the economic game, let’s give inaction a chance.
READER COMMENTS
Roger McKinney
Mar 23 2022 at 9:14am
Excellent points! Politicians are the most ignorant, foolish, greedy and power hungry of any group of people I know. Why would anyone turn industrial policy over to them? I would rather give that power to the homeless.
Art
Mar 23 2022 at 10:46am
I do wonder about this. Does laissez-faire only apply to developed nations or should all nations have an industrial policy? America got to it’s current place with industrial policy so why not continue? Is owning the future (whatever that’s supposed to be) important enough that we should be investing in NASA, AI, supercomputers, etc (I would consider that all industrial policy) or do we leave it alone? Silicon Valley supposedly came into being via the American Military which could be called industrial policy.
It’s complex and while I lean towards less industrial policy I do see space for it.
Scott Sumner
Mar 23 2022 at 3:46pm
“America got to it’s current place with industrial policy so why not continue?”
I’ve never liked this sort of argument. Suppose someone said, “North Korea got to it’s current place with industrial policy so why not continue?” Most people would respond “It’s current place is pretty bad, so why not stop?”
Here’s how I’d look at things:
All countries have industrial policies.
On average, the more interventionist the industrial policy, the worse the results.
Ergo, do less.
Jon Murphy
Mar 23 2022 at 4:42pm
On top of Scott’s point, it’s worth noting that it is incorrect to claim America “got to its current place with industrial policy.” Dartmouth economist Doug Irwin has several papers debunking this myth.
Christophe Biocca
Mar 23 2022 at 4:46pm
What the future actually is full of nasty specifics that can easily sink attempts at industrial policy (and mean those attempts crowd out ultimately more successful approaches, backfiring spectacularly). Japan’s government decided in late 1970s that the future was computers/IT and started investing in it. They had that part right. But they targeted parallel computing and logic programming as the logical next steps to invest in, and that decision completely sunk them. The winners of the early computer era were ever-faster sequential processors and imperative languages. Japan didn’t have any programming languages of note with real adoption until Ruby, created by a hobbyist in the 90s. There’s a good chance they undermined their own nascent computer industry more than they helped it.
Ike Coffman
Mar 24 2022 at 7:33am
It seems to be the general consensus here that industrial policy is a bad thing. At the risk of being lambasted here I am going to be a devils advocate and bring up a couple of points that I do not see addressed.
First of all, supply chain disruptions should be something that we can predict will happen, even if we don’t know exactly when they will happen. After these disruptions happen, there is such a long lead time to resolve those issues that it makes clear that we should have had some capability to provide those materials even when they are not profitable or even economically justifiable to provide when supply chains work normally. Examples include the computer chips that are in short supply right now (keep in mind that a large amount of the shortage is in older, even obsolete microprocessor technology), as well as working and productive mines for things like rare earth metals, platinum, lithium, cobalt, etc. that are essential in critical consumer and military products. Another example is that right now, as we are trying to transition away from fossil fuels, and keeping in mind the geopolitical issues surrounding petroleum supplies, it would be great if we had a large and stable supply of nuclear power.
But I want to bring up something else that does not seem to be addressed by economics. Technological change produces both economic and societal disruptions, and humans have a finite ability to adapt to those disruptions. As the rate of technological development speeds up we risk huge upheavals to our social order, something that in fact I think we are seeing right now.
If a job is required to produce whatever income is necessary to live comfortably, and that job (whatever it is) requires skill that takes time to develop, then there is going to be a maximum rate of technological development that humans can tolerate. How many time in a lifetime can someone learn a new skill? It seems to me that limiting the rate of change of technological development is a valid reason to have industrial policy. There is tremendous political pressure being generated right now for exactly this reason. I would go as far as to say that the political conflicts we see right now are potentially as dangerous to our nation as any damage due to industrial policy.
Jon Murphy
Mar 24 2022 at 12:33pm
Hello Ike-
Good comments and they have been addressed recently.
To your first point, I addressed that line of reasoning a few weeks ago. The big takeaway from my piece is that industrial policy would only make sense if the market did not provide proper incentives to combat supply disruptions. But it does indeed. Check out the whole piece.
To your second point about technological disruptions, that’s a common theme economists write on. Scott had a blog post just on Sunday called “Industrial Policy and Wish Lists” that address that very issue. Paul Krugman addresses it in his book “Pop Internationalism.” There are many other resources out there.
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