In a recent piece in the WSJ, Elizabeth Warren criticizes the views of Larry Summers:
Despite these warnings, the Fed chairman still has cheerleaders for his rate-hiking approach. Chief among them is Larry Summers. “We need five years of unemployment above 5% to contain inflation—in other words, we need two years of 7.5% unemployment or five years of 6% unemployment or one year of 10% unemployment,” the former Treasury secretary recently told the London School of Economics. You read that correctly: 10% unemployment. This is the comment of someone who has never worried about where his next paycheck will come from.
My views are closer to those of Summers than to Warren. Nonetheless, I’m a bit surprised by his unemployment estimates. If they were based on a “Phillips curve” type model, then I’d view the estimates with a great deal of caution.
It’s true that unemployment often rises during periods when the rate of inflation is brought down. But the higher unemployment is not directly caused by lower inflation (that would be reasoning from a price change.) It depends why the inflation rate has declined.
The real problem is not lower price inflation; high unemployment is more closely linked to a decline in NGDP growth, or a decline in wage inflation, or a decline in inflation expectations.
While the US CPI inflation rate recently reached 9.1%, the (5-year) expected rate of inflation has remained relatively low—mostly in the 2.5% to 3.5 % range. And the PCE index targeted by the Fed runs about 25 basis points lower, on average. In contrast, even expected inflation rose to near double digit levels at the end of the 1970s. Thus it should be far less costly to reduce inflation today than it was back in the 1980s.
Wage inflation is also running at excessive levels (roughly 6%), but that’s also nowhere near as bad as CPI price inflation, or as bad as wage inflation in the 1970s.
If you look at the fed funds futures market, investors seem to anticipate short-term rates rising to 3.4% by yearend, and then falling back to slightly below 3% in late 2023. That sort of yield curve inversion often precedes a recession, but it also indicates that investors expect the recession to be relatively mild. If unemployment actually were expected to average 7.5% over two years, then interest rates would almost certainly fall to zero in late 2023.
Of course those are just market forecasts; reality almost never turns out exactly as expected. So a major recession is possible. But at the moment, investors seem to be pricing in a fairly mild recession, perhaps because inflation expectations never reached the levels of the late 1970s. Indeed, inflation expectations are even below the levels of the late 1980s, after 8 years of Paul Volcker’s monetary restraint.
All policy failures are relative.
PS. If I see one more reporter say that two falling quarters of GDP is a “technical recession” I’ll shoot myself. The US labor market was booming in the first two quarters of this year. The correct view is that, as a rule of thumb, two quarters of falling GDP is usually accompanied by a recession.
READER COMMENTS
vince
Jul 25 2022 at 4:41pm
1. Warren is a demagogue who doesn’t like Summers anyway.
2. Summers might be pulling his 10% unemployment estimate directly from 1982. As you say, “it should be far less costly to reduce inflation today than it was back in the 1980s.” Summers might be right this time, of course, but many say he has a bad forecasting record and was especially wrong when he pushed for deregulation of derivatives that contributed to the GFC.
3. Why get so worked up about the definition of recession? The NBER definition is blurry. The two quarter definition at least provides a bright line. Surely that’s why it’s called a technical recession rather than an NBER recession.
4. When will econlib.org get it’s bullet formatting to work smoothly?
Scott Sumner
Jul 26 2022 at 3:13pm
“The two quarter definition at least provides a bright line. ”
Really, so you are saying there was no recession in 2001?
And GDP itself is subject to revision. I suspect 2022:Q1 GDP will eventually be revised upward. After all, GNI (which measures the exact same thing) actually grew in the first quarter.
vince
Jul 26 2022 at 4:09pm
“Really, so you are saying there was no recession in 2001?”
No, but there was no technical recession as it’s defined. As long as it’s called technical recession, the meaning is clear.
It’s like talk about a yield curve inversion. It depends.
Scott Sumner
Jul 26 2022 at 5:51pm
No, the meaning of technical recession is not clear. Most people couldn’t explain the difference between a technical recession and a recession. People should stick with the NBER definition, it’s the only sensible one.
Jerry Brown
Jul 25 2022 at 10:17pm
Don’t shoot yourself Scott.
Henri Hein
Jul 26 2022 at 10:44am
Seconding.
nobody.really
Jul 26 2022 at 12:27pm
Agreed. Instead, demonstrate the efficiency of market by auctioning off the opportunity. Who is to say that the value you might place of this activity would exceed the value someone else would place on it?
Not sure eBay would accept the listing, however….
Scott Sumner
Jul 26 2022 at 3:15pm
OK, you talked me out of it.
David S
Jul 26 2022 at 5:12pm
Something I think Warren and Summers have in common is that they’re both fixated on the 1970’s and early 1980’s as a guide to what the Fed will or should do. Summers is more correct in that better Fed action is required right now, but he doesn’t seem to be acknowledging that five year expectations are considerably more temperate than they were in the Burns and early Volcker regimes.
And no shooting of oneself—we need your review of Everything Everywhere, All at Once.
Michael Sandifer
Jul 26 2022 at 6:28pm
While recession risks were rising, in recent weeks we’ve seen a rebound in RGDP growth. Sans some new significant negative supply shocks, or nominal shocks, it seems likely the US will avoid a recession, at this point.
Bob
Jul 26 2022 at 8:20pm
Do you, at least partially, buy into the Austrian malinvestment / heterogenous capital story? If so, do you see any indications of this in our current situation? Because some Austrians think high unemployment is inevitable.
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