
Donald Trump has promised to pay off the entire national debt within 4 years:
“We’re going to pay off debt — the $35 trillion in debt. We’re going to pay it off. We’re going to get it done fast, too.”
I am supposed to be an economic commentator. So perhaps I should do my civic duty and evaluate this economic policy proposal.
Federal revenue is less than $5 billion trillion per year. Thus even if spending were cut to zero, it would require huge tax increases to pay off the debt in 4 years. But spending cannot be cut to zero, as the government is legally required to pay interest on the debt. That means even more massive tax increases would be needed.
One possibility is that Trump is proposing that non-interest spending, including the military and Social Security and Medicare all be reduced to zero for 4 years, and that all of the tax rates be roughly doubled during that period. And even that may not be enough, due to “Laffer Curve” effects.
Another possibility is that Trump is not serious; he’s making the promise to repay the national debt because it sounds good. That raises the question of whether any political promise should be taken seriously. Why even watch the debates?
One response is that voters are able to distinguish between sincere promises and insincere promises. But I doubt that voters are that smart. I recall back in 2017 chatting with a trucker who was excited about Trump’s promise to rebuild our infrastructure. I was excited by Joe Biden’s promise not to build a wall on the southern border. In fact, Trump never even proposed a major infrastructure initiative. Biden abandoned his promise not to build a wall. And yet these promises initially seemed much more plausible than the promise to repay the entire national debt.
We are frequently told that we should be good citizens, and evaluate candidates based on their campaign promises. But I suspect that people that make that claim are not being serious. Very few people would vote for Trump if they truly believed that he would double tax rates and cut Social Security and the military to zero. (Or keep some of that spending and triple tax rates.) Instead, I suspect that what the elite actually want voters to do is become mind readers—figure out which promises are sincere and which promises are fluff. But that’s harder than it seems!
Back in 2017, I would have expected Trump to propose major new infrastructure. He’s a guy that likes to build big projects. I would have expected Trump to pull the US out of Afghanistan. He did neither. I would not have expected Trump to back prison reform that reduced the term of drug dealers. He did so. Now he’s promising to repeal Obamacare. Will he do so? I have no idea. He says he’ll immediately end the war in Ukraine. But how? Surrender? I have no idea. He says we should kill drug dealers. Will he do so? I have no idea. And would that death penalty apply to people working in retail establishments selling drugs where state law says it’s OK but federal law says it’s a felony? What exactly is a drug dealer? Is it someone who sells narcotics in a way that violates federal law?
As I get older, I increasingly discount the promises made by politicians. Instead, I focus on character. Which candidate has the most integrity? In the long run, I suspect that character is what matters most.
PS. If we had a parliamentary system in the US, then I’d vote based on “the issues”. But we don’t.
PPS. One might argue that we could look at Trump’s first term. But Trump has promised a radically different approach in his second term, staffing his administration with Trumpian populists rather than old line Republicans (as in his first term).
READER COMMENTS
Philo
Dec 5 2023 at 1:20am
“But Trump has promised a radically different approach in his second term . . . .” Surely you don’t believe that!
Scott Sumner
Dec 5 2023 at 1:51am
I have no idea what to intends to do. He has suggested that he was very dissatisfied with the people he appointed the first time around (and vice versa). Perhaps he’ll try something different in his second term. I don’t know.
john hare
Dec 5 2023 at 4:20am
Due to issues such as in your article, if it comes down to Trump/Biden again, I want more options. Legal, rational, and feasible options. It’s my fantasy in the Christmas season.
robc
Dec 5 2023 at 8:35am
Everytime I have voted (for Prez), I have had non-R/D options on my ballot. And from 1992-2020, I chose one of them.
john hare
Dec 5 2023 at 7:11pm
I was thinking in terms of something more effective than casting a ballot for someone that has no chance of winning.
Thomas L Hutcheson
Dec 5 2023 at 7:11am
I’m inclined to believe is promises about filling the government with his cronies.
AMW
Dec 5 2023 at 8:35am
Pretty sure you meant to write “$5 trillion.”
Dave
Dec 5 2023 at 8:47am
“Federal revenue is less than $5 billion per year”
what
zshu223
Dec 5 2023 at 9:13am
I think this post is mixing up billions and trillions?
Andrew_FL
Dec 5 2023 at 9:30am
Trump made this exact same promise before his first term, and I concluded then that he intended to take the US Federal Government into bankruptcy proceedings, which is not a thing that can be done and one would think he would’ve had this explained to him, having served as President.
So I think the conclusion the second time around is that he is simply not serious.
Jon Murphy
Dec 5 2023 at 9:55am
Evidence from public choice and my own experience suggests that “the issues” are almost entirely irrelevant for most voters. If they even are aware of “the issues,” they’re often so unaware of even the basics that they can hardly be considered “informed.” This is particularly bad on economic issues, trade and wages in particular
steve
Dec 5 2023 at 11:48am
Our politics has largely become tribal. You dont really need to understand the issues you just need to know what the media and leaders in your tribe support and then follow that lead. Trump complicates things because he also has a very large cult of personality. So stuff that the GOP tribe might have solidly embraced in the past can be instantly rejected if it helps or furthers Trump’s position. It lets him make claims that are essentially impossible and his people support what he says.
Also, why did you expect Trump to pull us out of Afghanistan? I didnt. Leaving was always going to be chaotic and see US forces would die in the process. There would be sob stories about people left behind. Trump didnt want that. I also never thought he would do infrastructure. If he could put a big T on top of everything he might have been interested but he was never interested in roads, bridges, the grid, fiberoptic cables. The jail thing was a surprise.
Steve
Scott Sumner
Dec 5 2023 at 12:13pm
Everyone, Yes. I meant to write trillions.
Monte
Dec 5 2023 at 1:07pm
Integrity and politics are often at cross purposes. But like the ring of power described in The Hobbit, politics, with rare exception, tends to either corrupt or kill those who serve, literally and figuratively.
I agree that character is what matters most in the long run, but – as Keynes famously observed of capitalism – “In the long run we are all dead.”
“There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress.” – Mark Twain
Kenneth Duda
Dec 5 2023 at 9:14pm
But Scott, how do you assess character? Based on the last six years, I imagine Adam Kinzinger, Ben Sasse, Paul Ryan, George W Bush, Liz Cheney, John McCain, and Mitt Romney to be high integrity Republicans, and most of the rest to be low integrity. But I might be wrong. And I had no idea which were which prior to 2016. And I have no idea which Democrats might be high integrity. How can we guess how anyone else would respond to conflict between their personal interests and the country’s interests?
Sometimes I think we’d be better off literally picking our elected representatives completely randomly, like literally finger-in-phone-book random. It’s mostly random already, but when things converge, it seems more likely to be dangerous than helpful.
Scott Sumner
Dec 6 2023 at 1:37pm
There are many ways to judge character. I would add that character is not the only issue that matters, but a candidate must cross a certain threshold before I’d even consider him or her. You can probably guess who I don’t believe crosses that threshold.
johnson85
Dec 8 2023 at 5:01pm
Character would be good, but we didn’t really have that option in 2016, 2020, and it doesn’t look like we’re going to have that option in 2024 (unless Desantis manages to pull a pretty big upset; even if Biden dies, he’s just going to be replaced on the ballot like Kamala or Newsome).
It’s amazing to me the amount of despair people have over Trump when Joe Biden is president right now.
Also, unless you left it out the quote, I don’t see anywhere that Trump promised to pay off the federal debt in 4 years. To me, if we paid off the debt in 20 years, that’d be very fast. And if Trump put us on a path to payoff the debt in 20 years (which assuming a 5% interest rate works out to paying off ~13% of the principle in four years), I think that would be satisfying any reasonable interpretation of his “promise”.
I’d personally take that statement as more or less puffery and wouldn’t expect him to even significantly slow the growth of the debt, but if I was looking to be upset about a ridiculous statement Trump has made, there are plenty that don’t require you to make an unreasonable assumption about what he intended to say.
Monte
Dec 5 2023 at 10:20pm
High integrity democrats, maybe, but not republicans.
dcpi
Dec 5 2023 at 10:49pm
Perhaps he plans to sell assets? Much of the land in the west in Federally owned.
Walter Boggs
Dec 5 2023 at 10:58pm
Donald Trump doesn’t mean anything he says, and I take him at his word.
JoeF
Dec 6 2023 at 7:53am
Re: spending, does it matter who’s president? The train it won’t stop going, no way to slow down.
Mark Z
Dec 7 2023 at 12:03am
I’m inclined to disagree with you about character mattering much. Unless you think most policy issues are morally self-evident, and any decent person will obviously see what the right position is, then a person of good character has little advantage over one of bad character, since their moral intuition will about as likely as not put them on the wrong side of an issue as the right side. Sure, someone of good character will probably be more internally consistent, but that’s overrated. I prefer a shameless hypocrite who sometimes contradicts his promises by doing something right to a principled person who’s consistently wrong. I’m somewhat doubtful that the good historical leaders tended to have much better character than the bad ones (other than in a basically tautological sense of the word).
Monte
Dec 7 2023 at 11:26am
Yes. How can there be any doubt that leaders like Lincoln, Gandhi, and Churchill were any more principled than leaders like Hitler, Zedong, and Stalin?
johnson85
Dec 8 2023 at 5:06pm
I assume by “bad” he meant more along the lines of Jimmy Carter or George Bush rather than actually evil leaders. Bill Clinton was pretty unprincipled, but he was effective at getting things accomplished, for good or ill.
Monte
Dec 9 2023 at 12:00pm
Assuming you’re right, maybe “best” vs “worst” would have been more descriptive than “good” vs “bad” in relation to character.
DMK
Dec 8 2023 at 12:26am
Actually, the decision, and much planning, to pull out of Afghanistan goes back deep into Trump’s term in office, though the timeline put the actual withdrawal after the 2020 election. It was only the execution of said withdrawal that came after Biden was in office.
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