This doesn’t go where many of you think it might go.
I generally find that workers in for-profit companies perform better than workers in government agencies. The main reason is that for-profit companies have good incentives to make sure their workers, whether in or under management, are productive. The better they perform, all else equal, the greater is the company’s profit. Performance includes responding well to customer requests and concerns, especially if those customer concerns are what most people would regard as reasonable.
Government agencies, on the other hand, don’t get more “profit” if their employees perform well. That means that the managers of the government agencies have very little incentive to monitor employee performance. With less monitoring, performance suffers. That’s the basic economic theory, and the theory goes a long way in explaining behavior.
I’m also an empiricist. No matter what economic theory says, I judge people’s performance well or badly depending on my observations of their performance.
I had an experience last week with two for-profit firms, State Farm and Storelli Brothers auto repair, and one government agency, the Pacific Grove police department. State Farm did badly, the PG police department did very well, and Storelli Brothers did very well.
On Wednesday evening, a young man came to my door and told me that he had witnessed a driver do a hit and run on my car. The driver had smashed my driver-side rearview mirror. Fortunately, the young man had quickly taken a picture of the car and the license plate. I thanked him, got his name and phone number, and got his permission to use him as a witness.
Because my local insurance agent for State Farm was closed, I called an 800 number and reported the facts. The next morning someone at State Farm called me. Here’s where it got weird.
I told her the license number and she surprised me, saying that State Farm couldn’t necessarily track down who owned the car. “Do you realize that every California car license plate is unique?” I asked. “So you should be able to track it down.” “I didn’t realize that,” she answered, “thanks for telling me that.”
But the information I gave her didn’t seem to affect her strategy. I asked her her name. “Why do you want my name?” she asked. “I would like to know it; after all, you know my name.” She refused.
“I would like to talk to your supervisor,” I said. “She would tell you what I’m telling you,” she answered. “You don’t know that,” I responded. “After all, you admit that you didn’t know that license plate numbers are unique. Maybe there are other things she knows that you don’t.” I kept repeating that I wanted to talk to her supervisor. She kept refusing. At one point, I raised my voice. “If you talk loud, I can’t hear you,” she said. So I dialed down my volume but stuck to my request. Finally, she put me on hold and came back a few minutes later with a vague promise to call me the next week. (This was Thursday morning, December 21.)
I thought I would do better with my local State Farm rep. It worked out slightly better but not great. At least, she understood that license plate numbers are unique identifiers of owners. She also said I should contact the Pacific Grove police. This turned out to be her best piece of advice. I asked her whether it was better to call them or to go down to the station. “I can’t advise you what to do,” she said. “I understand,” I said, “but I figure you have more information from past clients’ experience than I have, which is why I asked which is better.” “I can’t tell you what you should do,” she answered.
“Ok,” I said, “I’ll go down there. Now once they identify who owns the car, am I hurting my chances of getting reimbursed if I get it fixed quickly or should I wait until the person admits guilt?” “They might not be insured,” she said, “in which case you wouldn’t get reimbursed.” “Fair enough,” I said, “but if the person is insured, do I hurt my changes of collecting if I get my repairs done first?” “They might not be insured,” she answered, “in which case you wouldn’t get reimbursed.” I said goodbye to the broken record.
Now it gets good. I drove the 5 minutes to the PG police headquarters and said I wanted to report a hit and run. I gave the police employee my information and he told me that if I wanted to wait, it would be only about 20 minutes. So I retrieved a Wall Street Journal from my car and waited. About 20 or so minutes later, a police officer came in. I told her I recognized her. We live on one of the 2 busiest streets in PG, a city of about 15,000 people, and so I had seen her drive by.
I’ve forgotten her last name. Her first name was Giselle. I gave her the details and showed her the picture of the license plate. She told me that the two letters I identified as “F” could be “E” or one of them could be “E.” She went away and came back less than 10 minutes later. She had found the owner and called the owner but got an answering machine message from someone who identified herself as a doctor. She told me that she would go to the address.
I realized that in all the excitement I had completely forgotten to have breakfast, a rare event for me. So I went home and ate quickly. While brushing my teeth, I received a phone call from Giselle. She had tracked the woman down at her house and got all her insurance and driver’s license information. The woman had admitted that she was the driver. Giselle gave me the woman’s phone number; she was a fellow PG resident.
I planned to call the woman; I’ll give her a fictitious name: Abby. But before I could call, Abby called me. She asked me if I would call her once I got the body shop estimate so that she could pay and not bother with insurance. I said I would. Less than an hour later, I got the estimate and found that it could be repaired the next morning. The estimate wasn’t bad. By reusing a piece that had been barely scratched, I could save her money. I decided to do so since I had to look closely even to see the scratch. The estimate: $338.85.
The next day I got the work done and called Abby to see if she wanted to come over with the check or she wanted me to come over. She asked me to come over. I did, and she wrote the check. I told her that I managed to have the repair people, Storelli Brothers, reuse a part and that that had saved her money. I thought she would thank me, but no. She gave me a nice bottle of champagne, but I would have traded that for a simple apology. Not once in our 2 phone calls or our in-person conversation did Abby say she was sorry.
So State Farm let me down, the Pacific Grove policy department did very well, and Storelli Brothers, as always did well.
I did learn something: the next time that happens, I’ll contact the police right away, even before I contact my insurance company.
By the way, I sent a check for $40 to the young man who bothered taking a picture and knocking on my door.
Quiz: “Abby” made a payment for the exact amount of the repair bill. Which part of my cost, which is comparable in magnitude to the repair bill, did she not cover?
READER COMMENTS
Andre
Dec 27 2023 at 12:38pm
Your detective time AND all of Giselle’s time.
David Henderson
Dec 27 2023 at 4:45pm
Good, except that Giselle’s time was not part of my cost.
Andre
Dec 28 2023 at 10:34am
Yah, I noted that, but that’s what you get with no editing function. Also, because though it’s not your cost, it is an unnecessary cost she generated by the hit and run.
Andre
Dec 28 2023 at 1:16pm
Also, to be both cheeky and pedantic, a teensy fraction of the cost imposed on Giselle is your cost also, assuming you’re a taxpayer.
Ahmed Fares
Dec 27 2023 at 2:29pm
Time.
Ahmed Fares
Dec 27 2023 at 2:32pm
I saw after I posted that Andre had already answered the question.
Dylan
Dec 27 2023 at 2:50pm
Crazy story, David. Glad that the damage was minimal. Funnily enough, almost the exact same thing happened to my dad last week, maybe even on the same day. He was sitting in the car though when the driver went by and took off his driver side rearview mirror and he also was able to get a license plate #. He ended up doing the repair himself and I forget what the mirror cost, but I do remember him telling me that the deductible on his insurance was a $100 for a hit and run driver, where I think it was $300 or $500 normally.
Full agreement that the State Farm employees didn’t cover themselves in glory here. But, I am curious what you expected them to do with the license plate info? My assumption would be that the database for this would only be accessible to law enforcement? Even if the driver was a customer of State Farm, and they therefore had her license info, not sure I’d want the company to give out contact info based on a story and a license plate number. No disparagement intended, just curious since I don’t think it would have occurred to me to give them that info.
P.S. The 5th paragraph from the end, you use a different name for the driver than your pseudonym.
David Henderson
Dec 27 2023 at 4:48pm
Thanks for the catch. I changed it.
You wrote:
That assumption is incorrect. Indeed, I paid $1 for a temporary membership to an organization that could identify the vehicle. Unfortunately, I thought the apparent F’s were E’s. One or more was an E.
You wrote:
The company wouldn’t have had to give out contact info. It could have contacted the owner.
Dylan
Dec 27 2023 at 5:55pm
Interesting. There is a law that was passed to prevent personal identifying information from being released. But, it appears to have so many exceptions to it that I can see it not being a huge deal to get around.
David Henderson
Dec 27 2023 at 7:55pm
Look at permissible use #6.
But, to repeat, I wasn’t asking State Farm to release her information to me.
steve
Dec 27 2023 at 5:47pm
I think there is a size effect. I live rural/small town and our interactions with government workers is almost uniformly positive. DMV and post office in particular are pleasant, fast and helpful, much different than when we lived in Philly. State Farm being the largest entity, I would have predicted you would be most likely to have problems there.
Steve
Richard W Fulmer
Dec 27 2023 at 8:34pm
One thing I like about economics professors is that the world is their laboratory. There are no bad experiences, just interesting economics lessons.
vince
Dec 27 2023 at 9:22pm
Isn’t hit and run a crime? Did she get any points or fines? There should be a penalty to encourage compliance.
I too have had terrible experiences with State Farm, with excuses to avoid payment on claims and also engaging in devious billing practices.
Peter
Dec 28 2023 at 5:06am
Six months in jail actually in California but given she was a member of the guilded class, I’m guessing not even a court date to get it dismissed or a pro forma fine.
I actually think the outcome was correct here, just despise the fact most people in California aren’t given the same luxury.
Scott Sumner
Dec 27 2023 at 11:54pm
I tend to have bad experiences with insurance companies. I attribute that to the fact that they are heavily regulated, and the regulations force them to act in a way that is not in the best interest of consumers.
I suspect that small town police are more responsive to residents than big city police.
Peter
Dec 28 2023 at 5:22am
TBH I think it has more to do with if the state is a no-fault state or not as well if personal injury is alleged. In a no fault state it’s just worth the car insurances time or money to try and pursue a tort for most accidents. I think in an at fault state my guess is they just don’t care under a certain threshold if property damage only along the same fiscal lines.
I am surprised though he even called the police or insurance at all. I’m assuming his deductible is higher than the expected damages and even if not, it’s just not worth the fuss or possibly ruining the other parties life over it. It’s a car, they get beat up. Short of major damage, it’s just wear and tear including minor accidents are just part of the TCO.
Lastly, as a person whose car was hit by a drunk on duty police officer, I think David here doth ascribe to much credit to those public sector employees. I’d bet all the money in the world had Abby been tangentially related to the local force, Giselle never would have been able to find or contact her and had David kept pestering, they would have simply told him it was a reported stolen vehicle from out of town.
steve
Dec 28 2023 at 11:23am
Regulations? Why not money? It seems like money is considered an incentive to change behavior if it involves taxes but otherwise it’s not.
Steve
Monte
Dec 28 2023 at 2:31am
Nothing says sorry like Dom Perignon Brut Champagne, 2013, but I’m guessing that wasn’t the case here. I suspect the good doctor might also have been under the influence of champagne when she hit your car.
Unfortunately, the pain and suffering of dealing with both Abby and State Farm went uncompensated, (except, of course, for the cheap bottle of champagne, which will certainly be bitter to the taste).
Craig
Dec 29 2023 at 3:20pm
Indeed there is some reasonable suspicion that Dr Abby didn’t want to stop and wait for the police is that she would’ve been arrested for some reason had she done so. I suspect suspended list, DWI but for all we know there could’ve been a body in the back seat!
MarkW
Dec 28 2023 at 6:03am
I think you let ‘Abby’ off way too easily here. I wouldn’t have offered to go to her place and would have demanded compensation not just for the repair but also for my time & trouble. If she didn’t want to do that, I would have filed a police complaint and let her deal with an insurance rate increase and possibly having to hire a lawyer to deal with getting out of a hit-and-run violation. People like her should not get off so easily with so little cost and bother.
As for the insurance company — I’d find a new one. I have a policy through an independent agent that represents multiple companies whose employees have always been uniformly helpful.
Jon Murphy
Dec 28 2023 at 8:41am
I don’t know whether filing a police report would be wise from David’s perspective. Two reasons:
First: forgiveness is a virtue.
Second: positive marginal cost, zero marginal benefit. If she refused, then he’d have to go back to the police station and file a complaint, spending more time. It would take longer to get compensated and possible more insurance nonsense.
And what’s the marginal benefit? I don’t see any. Some moral satisfaction of making someone get their just desserts? Perhaps, but as long as I’ve known David, he never came off as a vindictive person. Of course, I can only speculate, but I don’t see him likely getting any marginal benefit from filing a police report if she didn’t compensate for extra time.
MarkW
Dec 28 2023 at 8:45pm
The relevant concept here is Altruistic punishment:
Here we show experimentally that the altruistic punishment of defectors is a key motive for the explanation of cooperation. Altruistic punishment means that individuals punish, although the punishment is costly for them and yields no material gain. We show that cooperation flourishes if altruistic punishment is possible, and breaks down if it is ruled out.
Given what my own time is worth (and what I assume David’s is too), the most sensible thing would be to cut my losses, pay the $338.85 out of my own pocket, and not call anybody other than the repair shop (not the insurance company, not the police, and not ‘Abby’). But sometimes you find yourself with opportunity (obligation?) to enforce community standards and support social cooperation by making cheating costly.
vince
Dec 28 2023 at 11:22pm
Exactly. Penalties should provide deterrence. It’s not a question of being vindictive. It protects others from becoming victims of the crime.
Jon Murphy
Dec 29 2023 at 7:58am
Sure, but he’s already done that. She’s paying for her deed. What was proposed was vindictive: “pay me for my time or I’ll turn all this over to the cops”
MarkW
Dec 29 2023 at 8:23am
She’s paying for her deed.
Kind of. She ended up no worse off (and arguably a bit better off) than she would if she’d done the right thing in the first place. She took the chance of not stopping and taking responsibility. She didn’t end up getting away with it, but she might have, and then then she’d have saved the money. The expected value of repeating her anti-social behavior remains positive, and I’d fully expect her to do the same thing if the situation happens again.
Craig
Dec 29 2023 at 3:02pm
Abby smells to me like she’s quite possibly covering for the actual driver who very well may have been on the suspended list or perhaps Abby had one too many mimosas at her champagne brunch. Why would somebody flee a minor <$500 fender bender? Well, we don’t know but there should be some suspicion that the driver fled the accident because the driver knew if he or she stayed to wait for the police that an arrest would be imminent.
At minimum she attempted to evade responsibility here and unless DH says something along the lines of ‘the accident was such that she might not have been aware’ I have to assume she knew. Here he’s not just entitled to compensation for his time, he’d be entitled, at least in many jurisdictions, to some form of punitive/treble damages award.
(damage + time)*3
He wants to take the 3 bills and a bottle of champagne, naturally that is his prerogative.
He’s a nice guy for sure, but in this country you know where nice guys finish? Last I checked nice guys finish last in this country.
Herb
Dec 28 2023 at 11:47pm
As to State Farm, my agent & his assistant, have been fabulous over our 37 year relation (a CA earthquake & auto accidents). In addition, the company has been responsive.
Matthias
Dec 29 2023 at 5:23am
We are also usually having pretty good experience with our government and civil servants here in Singapore.
Individual people are, well, people. The important bit about the private sector is that you can usually pick and choose who you interact with (at least in the longer run). That’s harder with most government institutions.
Of course, what makes Singapore is also that the rules are fairly simple and efficient, so most of the time you don’t have to interact with the ‘Gahmen’ much. So don’t have to rely on the roll of the die if whether you get a nice and competent civil servant.
Craig
Dec 29 2023 at 2:30pm
“Storelli Brothers, as always did well.”
Frequent customer at an auto body shop?
“Quiz: “Abby” made a payment for the exact amount of the repair bill. Which part of my cost, which is comparable in magnitude to the repair bill, did she not cover?”
Your time, but if this pops up on a carfax its possible the value of the repaired car might very well be lower.
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