In my recent book entitled The Money Illusion, I was sharply critical of Fed policy during the Great Recession of 2007-09. Donald Kohn was Vice Chair of the Federal Reserve Board during this period, and has written a very thoughtful review of my book. I encourage people to read the entire piece.
The most controversial aspect of my book is the claim that Fed errors in 2008 caused the recession to be much more severe than otherwise. I based this claim on the fact that, in my view, a plausible alternative monetary policy regime would have prevented the sharp fall in NGDP growth during 2008-09. Kohn argues that during a key period in 2008 the Fed lacked accurate data showing weakening NGDP, due to both data lags and errors in the initial estimates of NGDP growth:
Moreover, the growing economic weakness in the current vintage of data for Q3 2008–which would have set off alarm bells in the Fed–was not evident in the immediate lead up to Lehman’s bankruptcy.Footnote 5 NGDP is now estimated to have grown only 0.9% at a seasonally adjusted annual rate (SAAR) in Q3 and to have collapsed at a 7.6% SAAR in Q4, which Sumner argues should have led the Fed to begin more aggressive easing in Q3. But at the end of July, Board staff was projecting 4.3% SAAR growth in NGDP for Q3 and 3.9% for Q4-2008 to Q3-2009. Private forecasters were in close agreement; the Survey of Professional forecasters in August saw NGDP growing at a 4.3% annual rate in Q3 and at 4.1% for the following four quarters, with rising interest rates. Obviously, none of this suggested an impending collapse that required immediate monetary policy attention in July and August.
In fact, Q3 NGDP growth was first published—one month after the end of the quarter—at a 3.8% SAAR, and it was revised down only slightly through the next two revisions over subsequent months. The current estimate of only 0.9% SAAR growth, which Sumner cites as evidence of too-tight monetary policy, came much later. The difference between first-published and current-estimated growth was similar for Q4—a 3.5 percentage point downward revision (from − 4.1 to − 7.6). This experience underlines several serious weaknesses for NGDP targeting—the difficulty of accurately estimating and forecasting, the availability of only quarterly data with a lag, and the size of revisions; the latter could have a material impact on estimates of the policy necessary to achieve NGDP level targets.
This is roughly the argument I would make if I were asked to defend the Fed’s position. I have three responses to this general argument:
1. Other data clearly showed the economy was sliding into recession in mid-2008. For instance, August unemployment had already risen by 170 basis points from the previous low, and that large a rise in the unemployment rate is a 100% accurate indicator of recession. Indeed even a rise half that large would be a 100% accurate inflation indictor. This fact suggests the government must do a better job of deriving NGDP estimates in real time.
I understand that complaining about our GDP data does not invalidate the core of Kohn’s argument. My next two points that are more essential:
2. Lehman failed in mid-September, and soon after this occurred various market indicators (such as TIPS spreads) clearly suggested that money was too tight, as both inflation and employment forecasts were falling well below the Fed’s implicit policy mandate. Thus even before we had the revised NGDP data, various asset market forecasts clearly suggested that we had a major demand shortfall. The Fed needs to respond to forecasts, not backward looking NGDP data.
Nonetheless, some might argue that by mid-September it was too late to do anything to avert a severe recession. I don’t believe it was too late, but it’s my third point that is the most important:
3. Level targeting. I cannot emphasize enough the need for some sort of level targeting policy regime. The Fed needs to be telling the markets that whatever happens in the short run during a banking crisis, NGDP will be about 8% above current levels two years into the future. They need to emphasize that they will do whatever it takes so that markets expect roughly 4% average NGDP growth over the next two years.
When I mention level targeting, many people assume that I am obsessed with correcting errors, with undoing policy mistakes. That is not the purpose of level targeting. The point is to prevent the initial under or overshoot in NGDP growth (or at least make it milder than otherwise.)
[Here I might use the analogy of the Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine in nuclear war game theory. The point of massively retaliating against a nuclear attack on your country is not to seek revenge, not to “even the score”, the point is to deter the initial attack from occurring in the first place. If you have not credibly committed to that doctrine ahead of time, then it’s pointless (which the theme of the film Dr. Strangelove.]
Now let’s think about how these three pieces relate to late 2008. Despite the flawed NGDP data, markets clearly saw that money was too tight to achieve the Fed’s implicit policy target of roughly 4% NGDP growth. Markets saw high frequency data on everything from ocean shipping rates to payroll employment to US equity prices (and many more data points), and putting all of this data together understood that a recession was developing. Under a level targeting regime, markets would have expected a very expansionary Fed policy to bring NGDP back to the trend line over the next few years.
And leads us to the key point, which is missed in so much discussion of level targeting. Market expectations of NGDP growth over the next few years is basically what Keynes meant by “animal spirits”. Longer run NGDP expectations are the primary factor that drives aggregate demand in the short run. (Michael Woodford has formally modeled the way that future expected demand growth drives current demand in the economy.) This is why the current economy is extremely sensitive to the future expected path of monetary policy.
In a policy regime where the Fed commits to bring NGDP back to the trend line ASAP, the initial deviations from that trend line become much smaller. As an analogy, if a swing oil producer commits to do whatever it takes to bring oil prices back on target in three months, then the effects of a near term oil production disturbance caused by a missile strike on Saudi Arabia become much smaller. Wholesalers sell oil out of inventory, anticipating they will be able to refill in 3 months at a reasonable price.
Of course this is just an analogy, but the same is true for the macroeconomy. Business investment decisions during a temporary period of banking distress will be much different if those making real investment decisions expect a deep and prolonged recession, as compared to the case where they expect the Fed to bring NGDP back to trend within two years. In the latter case, even the initial drop would be much smaller. NGDP soared during 1933, despite much of the banking system being shutdown for months, as dollar depreciation created expectations of higher NGDP in future years.
Many events that look to most people like “exogenous shocks” are actually investment swings driven by a loss of confidence in the future path of monetary policy. There may be some exogenous factors causing that lack of confidence (say financial turmoil or fiscal austerity) but it is the Fed’s job to offset those shocks.
I don’t know if there will be a deep demand side recession in 2023. But I do know that if there is a deep demand side recession in 2023, its cause will be market perceptions that the Fed will not create adequate NGDP growth in 2024 and 2025.
PS. I say “deep” recession, as one can at least plausibly argue that a very mild recession is an acceptable cost of bringing inflation down. A deep demand-side recession would be inexcusable.
READER COMMENTS
Garrett
Sep 19 2022 at 9:20am
In my experience, lots of people have trouble understanding the concept that expected future AD determines current AD.
Mark Barbieri
Sep 19 2022 at 9:37am
I would feel much more comfortable having the Fed rely on NGDP targeting if there was a robust market in NGDP futures. I feel that without one, the Fed will still do what their instincts and models tell them is right and just make their own NGDP forecasts to match their plans.
Scott Sumner
Sep 20 2022 at 11:45am
That’s why level targeting is essential. It keeps the Fed honest.
Spencer
Sep 19 2022 at 9:42am
re: “Kohn argues that during a key period in 2008 the Fed lacked accurate data showing weakening NGDP,”
? Kohn doesn’t have a model for anything! The FED discontinued the G.6 release because the data was too hard to collect. It was perpetually 3 months behind. Nevertheless, it was valuable info. on the transaction’s velocity of funds.
Targeting N-gDp had nothing to do with 2008. The distributed lag effect of money flows, the volume and velocity of money, is two-years long, always has been. Bankrupt-u-Bernanke drained required reserves for 29 contiguous months. Contrary to all economists, legal reserves were “binding”.
Monetary flows (volume X’s velocity) measures money flow’s impact on production, prices, and the economy (as economic flows are driven by payments: bank debits to deposit accounts, principally thru “total checkable deposits”, as all payments clear thru the Federal Reserve System). It is an economic indicator (not necessarily an equity barometer). Rates-of-change Δ, in M*Vt = RoC’s Δ in AD, aggregate monetary purchasing power.
Thus M*Vt serves as a “guidepost” for N-gDp trajectories.
N-gDp is determined by the volume of goods & services coming on the market relative to the actual, transactions, flow of money. RoC’s in R-gDp serves as a close proxy to RoC’s in total physical transactions, T, that finance both goods and services. Then RoC’s in P, represents the price level, or various RoC’s in a group of prices and indices.
Monetary flows’ propagation is a mathematically robust sequence of numbers (sigma Σ), neither neutral nor opaque, which pre-determine macro-economic momentum (the → “arrow of time” or “directionally sensitive time-frequency de-compositions”).
For long-term money flows, the proxy for inflation, it is the rate of accumulation, a posteriori, that adds incrementally and immediately to its running total.
Its economic impact is defined by its rate-of-change, Δ “change in”. The RoC, is the pace at which a variable changes, Δ, over that specific lag’s established periodicity.
And Alfred Marshall’s cash-balances approach (viz., a schedule of the amounts of money that will be offered at given levels of “P”), viz., where at times “K” is the reciprocal of Vt, or “K” has the dimension of a “storage period” and “bridges the gaps of transition periods” in Yale Professor Irving Fisher’s model.
As Nobel Laureate Dr. Ken Arrow says: “all analysis is a model”.
Spencer
Sep 19 2022 at 9:58am
BuB turned Yale Professor Irving Fisher’s “price level”, or otherwise safe-assets, into impaired and unsaleable assets (i.e., upside down and under water).
BuB NEVER eased monetary policy (not until March 2009 -the stock market’s bottom). BuB relentlessly drove the economy into the ground, creating a protracted un-employment, and under-employment rate, nightmare.
Contrary to Nobel Prize–winning economist Milton Friedman and Anna J. Schwartz’s “ A Monetary History of the United States, 1867–1960, “there is no “Fool in the Shower”. Monetary lags are not “long and variable”. The distributed lag effects for both real output and inflation have been mathematical constants for over 100 years.
Link: Daniel L. Thornton, Vice President and Economic Adviser: Research Division, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, Working Paper Series
“Monetary Policy: Why Money Matters and Interest Rates Don’t”
bit.ly/1OJ9jhU
“Today “monetary policy” should be more aptly named “interest rate policy” because policymakers pay virtually no attention to money.”
See: “History and forms. Irving Fisher (1925) was the first to use and discuss the concept of a distributed lag. In a later paper (1937, p. 323), he stated that the basic problem in applying the theory of distributed lags “is to find the ’best’ distribution of lag, by which is meant the distribution such that … the total combined effect [of the lagged values of the variables taken with a distributed lag has] … the highest possible correlation with the actual statistical series … with which we wish to compare it.” Thus, we wish to find the distribution of lag that maximizes the explanation of “effect” by “cause” in a statistical sense”.
And “The Lag from Monetary Policy Actions to Inflation: Friedman Revisited” 2002
“We reaffirm Friedman’s result that it takes over a year before monetary policy actions have their peak effect on inflation… Similarly, advances in information processing and in financial market sophistication do not appear to have substantially shortened the lag”
“At the Dec. 27–29, 1971, American Economic Association meetings, Milton Friedman (1972) presented a revision of his prior work on the lag in effect of monetary policy (e.g. Friedman 1961). His new conclusion was that ‘monetary changes take much longer to affect prices than to affect output’; estimates of the money growth/CPI inflation relationship gave ‘the highest correlation… [with] money leading twenty months for M1, and twenty-three months for M2’ (p. 15)”
vince
Sep 19 2022 at 12:58pm
Kohn, along with many others, wrongly believed that diversification of real estate securities minimized the risk of losses.
As you mentioned, credit was too tight after Lehman failed. Letting it fail, at that point, could have been the biggest blunder. Sure, moral hazard was a problem, but by then the Fed already set a precedent and shouldn’t have slammed the door on Lehman at such a risky time. To avoid one bailout, they followed up with a multiple of them, including AIG. One has to wonder if Paulson would have allowed Goldman to fail if it were in Lehman’s position . Goldman, in which Paulson had been a partner, was a huge beneficiary of the AIG bailout.
One argument the Fed can point to is that inflation was looking high in the summer of 2008.
Thanks for the link to a very informative review of your book.
Spencer
Sep 19 2022 at 1:43pm
re: “inflation was looking high in the summer of 2008”
Oil was rising as the E-$ market expanded (Pritchard, May 1980, M1a will approximate M3), while the U.S. $ was falling. I.e., Greenspan, reducing reserve requirements, fulfilled Pritchard’s prophecy.
See:
Trade Balance: Goods and Services, Balance of Payments Basis (BOPGSTB) | FRED | St. Louis Fed (stlouisfed.org)
Peter McCluskey
Sep 19 2022 at 3:11pm
I agree. If the Fed had needed to rely on NGDP-like data, the ISM purchasing managers index provided clear evidence, by October 1, that the US was entering a serious recession. That’s what convinced me to turn bearish enough to make a small profit on the stock market in the October crash.
Kevin erdmann
Sep 19 2022 at 4:05pm
vince
Sep 19 2022 at 4:16pm
Good point. I notice that the unemployment rate went from 5% in January to 5.8% in July 2008. So the fed tightens credit in accordance with its stable prices mandate but ignores its full employment mandate–to terrible consequences?
Spencer
Sep 20 2022 at 9:25am
The FED covered its “Elephant Tracks” (like “Black Monday”)
We knew the precise “Minskey Moment” of the GFC:
POSTED: Dec 13 2007 06:55 PM |
The Commerce Department said retail sales in Oct 2007 increased by 1.2% over Oct 2006, & up a huge 6.3% from Nov 2006.
10/1/2007,,,,,,,-0.47 * temporary bottom
11/1/2007,,,,,,, 0.14
12/1/2007,,,,,,, 0.44
01/1/2008,,,,,,, 0.59
02/1/2008,,,,,,, 0.45
03/1/2008,,,,,,, 0.06
04/1/2008,,,,,,, 0.04
05/1/2008,,,,,,, 0.09
06/1/2008,,,,,,, 0.20
07/1/2008,,,,,,, 0.32
08/1/2008,,,,,,, 0.15
09/1/2008,,,,,,, 0.00
10/1/2008,,,,,, -0.20 * possible recession
11/1/2008,,,,,, -0.10 * possible recession
12/1/2008,,,,,,, 0.10 * possible recession
RoC trajectory as predicted.
Nothing has changed in 100 + years.
You see, the distributed lag effect of money flows was covered up. The FED doesn’t know about the distributed lag effects. That’s why the FRED database doesn’t permit those mathematical constants, historic rates-of-change. Money flows are ex-ante calculations, not ex-post calculations. You can’t run a regression test against old data.
Dr. Richard Anderson: “Although the evidence is mixed, the MSI (monetary services index), overall suggest that monetary policy *WAS ACCOMMODATIVE* before the financial crisis when judged in terms of liquidity”.
Scott Sumner
Sep 20 2022 at 11:47am
Everyone, Sorry for the slow response. I am traveling and had computer problems.
Martin Jean Boulanger
Sep 20 2022 at 12:16pm
Fundamentally, do businesses and households make decisions based on inflation and real growth separately, or on the sum of the two?
I strongly suspect the former. As an economic actor, it matters entirely to me whether NGDP is driven by inflation or growth, my decision whether to invest, consume or save. NGDP is almost meaningless to me. I also think by smoothing NGDP, you risk making both real growth and inflation more volatile and unpredictable, hampering economic activity.
Amid a downturn, I assume the NGDP target will more likely be met by higher inflation than real growth over the short-term, because supply is constrained over the short-term. I think stoking inflation in a downtown risks making it worse/creating higher expected inflation. If the downturn is driven by a supply shock, the result is almost certainly worse.
Scott Sumner
Sep 21 2022 at 1:41am
I’d encourage you to look at the book “Less Than Zero” by George Selgin.
Rajat
Sep 20 2022 at 3:21pm
It’s fantastic that someone like Kohn has made the effort to review your book and offer his observations. One can complain and criticise policy-makers endlessly, but unless the establishment engages with those criticisms, the criticisms remain on the fringe.
The points I take away from Kohn’s response and your response to his are that:
1) Identifying and reacting to even very large nominal shocks sufficiently to mitigate them under a growth targeting regime is almost impossible – The August jobs report would have have out at the start of September. Even if it were possible to avoid a serious recession by early to mid-September, the Fed had very little time to do something quite major. An NGDP futures market would have helped, but it would need to be well-established. If the Fed doesn’t have a meeting within a few days or so of an event like Lehman, it needs to convene one. And it needs to err on the side of making bigger moves that it may need to reverse – something central banks are loath to do – rather than tentative ‘wait-and-see’-style steps that allow them to appear sage and deliberative. Fed Governors can’t take month-long summer or Christmas holidays and avoid Teams calls.
2) Ergo, Level targeting is not just desirable, but essential. Further, the Fed needs to be completely resolute in its adherence to the level target, come what may. It cannot respond as Jason Furman did in mid-2021 to the forecast overshoot of the NGDP level path with a “c’mon, you can’t be serious” quip, just because there had been a long period of prior undershooting – or in 2008, a long period of prior overshooting. That will require incredible discipline, an inhuman level I would say, at least in the absence of established NGDP futures markets and a closer and more explicit attention paid to asset markets. The latter might increase the perception of a ‘Fed put’, but so be it.
Off-topic, but John Cochrane has published a post setting out his intuition for his Neo-Fisherian model. It seems a bit odd to me: Higher interest rates reduce current spending and prices, but by shifting spending into the future, increase future spending and prices, raising inflation. It seems to assume that output in both periods is fixed and that prices are fairly responsive to demand rather than being sticky. It also assumes that lower output today doesn’t reduce the income available to spend in the future – eg If there is a recession in 2023, in my view, that won’t mean that people will have lots of savings and pent-up demand to spend in 2024. I would be interested in your thoughts.
Scott Sumner
Sep 21 2022 at 1:40am
On your second point, the main advantage of level targeting is that the market does a lot of the work for you. Even if the Fed were slow to react, market movements in interest rates will nudge policy in the correct direction.
I haven’t yet read the Cochrane post, but it’s completely nonsensical to talk about the effect of a change in interest rates. That’s reasoning from a price change–a violation of basic economic theory
vince
Sep 22 2022 at 1:15pm
“… it’s completely nonsensical to talk about the effect of a change in interest rates.”
Could you clarify this statement. The Fed has been raising interest rates to effect a reduction in inflation.
Scott Sumner
Sep 22 2022 at 3:06pm
What matters is how the interest rate moves relative to the natural rate. If the interest rate rises and the natural rate is stable, then money is tighter. If the interest rate rises and the natural rate rises even faster, then money is looser.
Joel
Sep 20 2022 at 5:29pm
It seems widely acknowledged that Fed errors greatly contributed to the economic pain of the 1930s and 1970s. And in the review, Dr. Kohn suggests that the failure of the Fed to raise rates quickly enough following the 2000-01 recession may have contributed to the subsequent financial crisis, and Dr. Sumner has long said that errors by the Fed worsened the Great Recession. Dr. Kohn believes that flexible inflation targeting is superior, but it appears that the Fed abandoned that policy and has been caught flatfooted by the recent large jump in inflation.
So here’s an honest question. Does the Fed help more than it harms? Would it be better to go back to the gold standard not because it is superior in the grand scheme of things but rather because it prevents deleterious interference from the Fed? After all, it is better to be sick and recover on one’s own rather than go under the care of a doctor who thinks bloodletting is a cure.
Scott Sumner
Sep 22 2022 at 3:07pm
Going back to the gold standard would be a mistake. Today, it would not work nearly as well as the 1879-1913 version. More like the 1918-33 version.
Larry
Sep 20 2022 at 5:46pm
I was thrilled that he even let NGDP into the room.
Thomas Lee Hutcheson
Sep 20 2022 at 6:27pm
As someone said, “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.” 5-year inflation expectations were below target for most of the YEAR before the actual crisis in August 2008.
And the Fed ought to be lobbying Treasury to create some 1, 2, and 3 year TIPS.
Scott Sumner
Sep 22 2022 at 3:08pm
I’m not sure that’s accurate.
Kailer
Sep 21 2022 at 12:58pm
Some of what he says is state dependent. Real GDP is perceived as more useful. So most private forecasters don’t put a lot of effort into the NGDP forecast, and statistical agencies don’t put a lot of effort into preliminary estimates. If NGDP were targeted they would.
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