The row between the government of Sweden and that of Turkey over the burning of a Koran by demonstrators in Stockholm brings us back to fundamental problems of politics, on which the economic method of analysis has thrown much light. The Financial Times reports (“Sweden’s Nato Application Imperilled After Koran Burnt Outside Turkish Embassy,” January 22, 2022):
Sweden, which has some of the strongest protections of free speech in Europe, granted permission for the Koran-burning protest, as it has done several times previously—even after it sparked riots in April.
“Freedom of expression is a fundamental part of democracy. But what is legal is not necessarily appropriate. Burning books that are holy to many is a deeply disrespectful act. I want to express my sympathy for all Muslims who are offended by what has happened in Stockholm,” Ulf Kristersson, Sweden’s prime minister, wrote on Twitter.
Turkish president and dictator-to-be Recep Tayyip Erdogan invoked the incident as a reason to block the Swedish government’s application to join NATO (“Turkey’s Erdogan Threatens to Block Sweden’s NATO Entrance Over Quran Burning,” Wall Street Journal, January 23, 2022):
“If you speak about freedoms and rights, then first things first, you should show respect to the religious belief of Muslims and Turkish people,” Mr. Erdogan said in televised remarks after a cabinet meeting. “If you do not show such respect, then you cannot see any kind of support from us on NATO.”
If the Swedish government did not have to “grant permission” (even just as a mere administrative matter, as is apparently the case), it would be logically more difficult to blame “Sweden”; but logic is not the strong point of autocrats. Let’s focus more generally on the basic social problem, which is how individuals with different preferences and values can live in peaceful and prosperous social interaction. A major contribution of economics has been to show how private property rights, by creating a private domain around each individual, minimizes clashes. You burn you own copy of the Koran, the Bible, or Lady Chatterley’s Lover as you want, or you consider them sacred for you if you wish. You may also buy and keep it, or just be indifferent. As often noted, individual liberty is coextensive with private property rights and voluntary cooperation and trade.
This way, “respect” is not unilateral. Everybody has to respect what other individuals do in, and with, their private domain—and on the public square, equally accessible for everybody to express his opinions. Respect is due not only to individuals who consider the Koran sacred; it is also due to those who want to burn their own copies.
Consider the table below, which shows the four possible combinations of the freedom of individuals to consider the Koran sacred for them and their freedom to burn their copies of that book (or any other such book). Quadrant II and Quadrants III represent the tyranny of the majority or of some other ruling group, whether they stand for a sort of “civic religion” against religious freedom (Quadrant II), or for a partial theocracy where some aspects of religion are forced onto non-believers (Quadrant III). Quadrant IV represents full-fledged theocracy.
Turkey—that is, what the government of Turkey imposes to Turkish residents—exemplifies Quadrant III. Let’s note in passing that this country has never been known as a paradigm of individual liberty. In the incipit of his 1903 book Le Libéralisme (Liberalism), Émile Faguet suggests that Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s sort of civic religion (religion civile) portends a society where “man would be more oppressed than in Turkey” (organiser une société où il serait plus opprimé qu’en Turquie). An article in the current issue of the Economist is titled “Turkey Could Be on the Brink of Dictatorship.”
Only Quadrant I represents individual liberty, which is the only known way to avoid either the domination of some rulers or some kind of civil war.
Both James Buchanan and Friedrich Hayek, two Nobel economists, suggest that the jury is still out on whether Quadrant I is an achievable ideal, whether individuals can live as equals in a free and prosperous society; or whether mankind will go back to its millennial condition of poverty and servitude for most individuals. (On Buchanan’s perspective, see “An Enlightenment Thinker”; on Hayek’s, “Against Tribal Instincts.”)
READER COMMENTS
David Henderson
Jan 26 2023 at 1:04pm
Pierre, good post.
However, I strongly disagree with this paragraph:
I don’t think that the key is to respect what people do or to respect people. There are so many people’s actions that I don’t respect and I don’t respect the people who do them. The key is whether their rights to do them are respected. And I do respect those rights.
So, for example, if someone decides to get heavily into heroin, I don’t think that’s a good move and I probably wouldn’t respect that person. But I would respect that person’s right to use heroin.
Jim Glass
Jan 26 2023 at 4:21pm
Excellent point. I agree. We don’t owe respect to anybody, we do owe each other civil behavior.
“Respect” indicates value judgment. ‘We all owe each other equal respect’ is a concept used as a weapon in the culture wars, especially on campuses and in the media filled by recent college graduates: “You don’t respect our identity, feelings, values, whatever, therefore you devalue us and we are oppressed.” This claims the moral high ground. The deans and editors respond, “Yes, and we now take steps to enforce equal respect for all”, so the “oppressors” are forced either to recant or face being purged.
OTOH, I once saw Jordan Peterson dumbfound a panel of woke nutters (no respect from me) who played the “respect” card on him. He said: “Respect is earned. You’re identity is narcissistic, feelings are juvenile, values are empty, and earn no respect from me. But I will be civil to you and let you try to justify yourselves”. This totally turned who had the high ground in the conversation and left the wokesters sputtering defensively — and as unconvincingly as the nutters they were.
Since then, I’ve used this in conversation myself a few times in response to the respect card. “Respect is earned. What have you/they done to earn it?” Typically a blank look comes over the other person’s eyes. It’s fun!
It works because it is true. Respect must be earned. It’s civil behavior that is owed by all to all in order to have civilization.
Pierre Lemieux
Jan 26 2023 at 5:01pm
Jim: You are right if you mean that mutual respect is based on an ethics of reciprocity; see my response to David below. Perhaps that’s what David ultimately meant to say, but I don’t think it applies to the (adult) heroin addict qua heroin addict.
Jim Glass
Jan 27 2023 at 1:10pm
Jim: You are right if you mean at mutual respect is based on an ethics of reciprocity
No, I don’t believe respect, mutual or otherwise, is based on reciprocity at all. Civil behavior is based on reciprocity. The definitions of “respect” produced by Google…
That is a value judgement. No reciprocity.
This is the usage employed by the woke identitarian SJWs, after deleting the word “due” to force reciprocity by eliminating the value judgment of whether it is due or not.
Again a value judgement. No reciprocity.
I think you are using “respect” in the common colloquial sense of “mutual respect” = polite civil behavior towards each other. But behaving with civility towards another person is very different from admiring the other person, as the literal definition requires.
The problem with using colloquialisms in politics and social analysis is that the meaning of the word can hijacked by partisans and changed via sleight of hand without most people noticing. (See Orwell’s Politics and the English Language.)
Thus the colloquial “we all owe each other full equal respect as a matter of civil behavior” becomes the literal “you owe me full equal respect no matter how uncivil, hostile and destructive my ideas are towards you, you white male oppressor.”
Sticking to the dictionary definitions of the words — “respect is value judgement” and “civility is behavior” — defeats that ploy, as Orwell prescribed and Jordan demonstrated.
Pierre Lemieux
Jan 26 2023 at 4:52pm
David: Interesting point! But that’s a fine distinction, isn’t it? Why would you respect a person’s right if, in some sense, you did not respect him as a “natural equal” worthy of respect as long as he doesn’t interfere with other individuals’ equal liberty? Contrary to Merriam-Webster’s definition, Buchanan uses “respect” in the sense I suggest (perhaps I have been too much influenced by him?). Here are a few quotes from his Why I, Too, Am Not a Conservative:
AlexT
Jan 26 2023 at 2:20pm
Regarding “Quadrant II”: It’s a crime to burn the Koran in China.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2170240/chinese-man-jailed-koran-burning-islamaphobia-spreads-online
Pierre Lemieux
Jan 27 2023 at 1:05am
Alex: Thanks for this link, but the story is five years old and I can’t find any other source saying that burning the Koran is (still?) illegal.
Craig
Jan 27 2023 at 3:31pm
I’d suggest the article notes a law which makes “inciting national hatred or national discrimination” a crime, and in this case, given the sanction, about the equivalent of a misdemeanor DO/PDO in the US and it was interpreted in Xian that the specific action violated that general prohibition.
Craig
Jan 26 2023 at 5:09pm
” Everybody has to respect what other individuals do in, and with, their private domain—and on the public square, equally accessible for everybody to express his opinions.”
And its my opinion that Europe is on the long list of things I wouldn’t trade my son’s life for. #americafirst #outofnato
I’ve been to Istanbul, awesome place for those who truly enjoy history, maybe even more impressive than Rome? Here’s the thing, don’t be seen countenancing the burning of Korans if you want the Turks to stand shoulder to shoulder with you and die on the Vistula (or perhaps soon the Dnieper I fear) with you. The Jewish people have a great word for that, its called chutzpah.
Mark Z
Jan 28 2023 at 2:36am
Can you explain why that logic stops at the borders of America? Plenty of Americans have values or behavior I loathe, why should I be willing to die for them. It’s not clear why anyone should be more willing to fight or die for people who happened to be born on one side of an imaginary line on a map than for people who happened to be born within an international treaty zone.
Craig
Jan 28 2023 at 5:38pm
I’m actually unabashedly in favor of #nationaldivorce
Craig
Jan 26 2023 at 5:18pm
I also think it best not to overlook the Realpolitik angle of NATO expansion as a potential bargaining chip to end the conflict in the Ukraine.
Craig
Jan 26 2023 at 5:41pm
I also think it worth mentioning here that Turkey is a fundamentally different society with fundamentally values. I think it worth at least mention the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights http://hrlibrary.umn.edu/instree/cairodeclaration.html which is a kind of response to the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights which espouses many positive rights libertarians would likely object to.
Specifically note Art. 10 and Art. 22.
ARTICLE 10:
Islam is the religion of true unspoiled nature. It is prohibited to exercise any form of pressure on man or to exploit his poverty or ignorance in order to force him to change his religion to another religion or to atheism.
ARTICLE 22:
(a) Everyone shall have the right to express his opinion freely in such manner as would not be contrary to the principles of the Shari’ah.
1.. Everyone shall have the right to advocate what is right, and propagate what is good, and warn against what is wrong and evil according to the norms of Islamic Shari’ah.
(c) Information is a vital necessity to society. It may not be exploited or misused in such a way as may violate sanctities and the dignity of Prophets, undermine moral and ethical Values or disintegrate, corrupt or harm society or weaken its faith.
(d) It is not permitted to excite nationalistic or doctrinal hatred or to do anything that may be an incitement to any form or racial discrimination.
Of course this isn’t necessarily Turkish law of course but it does reflect the fact that Islamic societies espouse fundamentally different values and I’d suggest the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights espouses fundamentally different values than libertarians might agree to.
David Seltzer
Jan 26 2023 at 6:45pm
Pierre: Excellent post. From my days in Hebrew School. The definition of respect for individual freedom was espoused by Rabbi Kahn, himself an iconoclastic libertarian. Dignity, defined as the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect, is inherent in every human being and is parceled equally to every human being at birth.
Mactoul
Jan 27 2023 at 12:37am
Dostoevsky identified the fundamental problem. Man doesn’t merely wishes to worship as he would–he wants his neighbor to worship as he does.
Methodological individualism as it bypasses or ignores neighbor/stranger distinction has no language or concepts to handle such issues. It is noticeable how quickly you moved from countries to individuals though the issue in hand relates to governments.
Jon Murphy
Jan 28 2023 at 4:01pm
I’m not really sure what this sentence is supposed to mean. As a strict factual matter, it’s false. The literature on man’s desire to dominate his fellow man from a methodological individualism perspective is deep, going back at least 300 years to Adam Smith’s Theory of Moral Sentiments.
But even were the literature not there, I see no reason why MI cannot explain it.
Mactoul
Jan 28 2023 at 7:53pm
What has man’s desire to dominate other men to do with insider/outsider distinction?
Jon Murphy
Jan 28 2023 at 7:59pm
When you said “such issues,” I assumed you meant:
Mactoul
Jan 29 2023 at 4:03am
Dostoevsky wasn’t thinking of domination but of brotherhood.
Jon Murphy
Jan 29 2023 at 6:11am
I’ve not read Dostoyevsky since freshmen year of college almost 20 years ago (man, writing that sentence hurts lol) so maybe I am missing context, but they way the phrase is being used by you in the context of this point makes it sound like one wants to force his neighbor to worship as he does. I don’t get brotherly vibes here.
Mactoul
Jan 30 2023 at 7:22pm
Precisely. Thwarted brotherhood, when your neighbor will not be your brother, has been a potent force in religious troubles. This is what Dostoevsky was getting at.
How this factor be included in methodological individualism I don’t know.
Jon Murphy
Jan 31 2023 at 7:23am
So, we’re back to the domination point.
Jon Murphy
Jan 31 2023 at 12:01pm
I guess I still don’t see why you think methodological individualism “has no language or concepts” to handle the issue of two different neighbors. I mean, you even phrase the problem in MI terms:
It’s a (potential) dispute between neighbors. We have identified the individuals. The result of the dispute can be described and attributed to individual behaviors (the neighbors ignore one another, one neighbor causes conflict with another, etc).
It seems to me a very straightforward application of MI. What’s the problem here?
Pierre Lemieux
Jan 31 2023 at 4:03pm
Jon: Right. And methodological collectivist often say “I”. It would be a special one who said “We think, therefore we are” or “We think, therefore I am.”
Mactoul
Jan 27 2023 at 12:51am
Even otherwise, it is unclear why burning something qualifies as a speech– it is only under some contentious interpretation favored by American jurists. You can’t expect the rest of the world to agree.
Pierre Lemieux
Jan 27 2023 at 1:17am
Mactoul: What does it mean for “the rest of the world to agree”? Have you met him? It would be as methodologically strange and analytically useless (the euphemism of the month) if I said that the “the rest of the world” agrees with my post.
Mactoul
Jan 27 2023 at 7:57pm
As to that, even the official American view, that burning things is speech, and free speech at that, maybe a lot of Americans wouldn’t agree. Have they been asked?
Pierre Lemieux
Jan 29 2023 at 8:14pm
Mactoul: Hence the importance of an individualist approach. Have murderers been asked if they want to outlaw murder? In Buchanan’s perspective, the answer is yes. Even potential murderers can be presumed to want a rule against murder. But it is unlikely that anybody is in favor of a rule of prohibiting him from burning or otherwise disposing of what belongs to him in his own private sphere. It is unlikely that anybody is in favor of suppressing his own speech. To be free is to have a veto on the harm others will cause to oneself (in one’s private sphere), not the right to interfere in others’ private spheres.
Pierre Lemieux
Jan 29 2023 at 8:17pm
Mactoul: As a methodological individualist, you would anyway not be concerned about “the American official view.”
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