The importance of two asymmetries.
Some of my pro-Trump friends argue that Trump is right in threatening tariffs on other countries as a way of getting governments of other countries to reduce their tariffs on imports from the United States. They point out, correctly, I think, that tariff rates that other countries’ governments impose on U.S. goods tend to exceed tariff rates that the U.S. government imposes on imports from those countries. Therefore, they argue, it’s justified to threaten higher tariffs on their exports to the United States until those countries’ governments reduce their tariff rates.
But even if it is justified–and I can understand their case–that leaves one huge question unanswered: will it work? What if those countries’ governments respond, as some are threatening to do, not by reducing their tariff rates but by raising them? In that case, what would the U.S. government accomplish? Together with those other governments, it would produce a world that is slightly poorer than otherwise. With less trade, there is less gain from trade. That’s not a good outcome.
When I taught comparative advantage and gains from trade, I would move beyond that and explain the asymmetry between consumers and producers and how that distorts both trade talks and trade talk, i.e., discussion of trade. The producers who want barriers against foreign imports have a lot to lose per firm and per worker if imports are allowed and consumers have little to gain per person. It’s pretty easy to show that the gains to consumers from reducing tariff barriers, in total, exceed the losses to producers in total. But the asymmetry in gains and losses per person or per firm cause producers to have a LOUD voice in the discussion and consumers to be very quiet or even silent. So we get a very distorted discussion and potentially distorted outcomes.
After saying all this, though, I found my students, who got the point, playing “ain’t it awful” about all the restrictions on trade. Then I had to backtrack and explain that while free traders in politics were losing some battles, over time they were winning the war. Restrictions on trade around the world have come down a lot since the Great Depression and continued to come down after World War II. Virtually every major country–the United States, Japan, Germany, and France, for example–has lower trade barriers than it had in 1945 and, moreover, has lower trade barriers than it had in 1970, in 1980, or in 1990. So somehow the war for free trade is being won.
But why is it being won? The answer I gave my students is that trade negotiations in each country line up the various concentrated interests that expect to gain from trade–in the United States, a key bloc would be farmers–and get them on board to offset the power of the concentrated interests that would lose, e.g., steel producers.
And that’s a good explanation, as far as it goes.
But I had a discussion yesterday with fellow economist and friend Francois Melese in which he pointed out another reason that the war for free trade has largely been won. It’s an historical reason, or, as one might say in current economic history jargon, a path-dependent reason.
Think about when the push for free trade began in a serious way. As noted above, it was late in the Great Depression and continued in a big way after World War II. Is that significant? Yes. The kinds of tariff increases various countries imposed during the Great Depression were something that most countries’ governments did not want to continue because of the bad consequences for world trade and for world peace. Various policy makers saw the potentially huge stakes in getting countries to trade more with each other, understanding, probably explicitly but at least subconsciously, that trade tends to generate peace.
Which brings me to the second asymmetry: the difference between how long a time it took the international trading system to develop–about half a century or more–and how short a time it might take to unravel. If President Trump succeeds in getting other countries to cut their tariff rates, that would be great. But if his actions lead other countries’ governments to raise their tariff rates, then, within a few years, we could have a substantially less-free-trade world to contend with.
The old line is that a reputation takes decades to build and can be destroyed in an hour. Free trade is not that fragile. But it may be more fragile than many of Donald Trump’s supporters believe. I hope they are right, but I fear and, more important, I believe they are wrong.
READER COMMENTS
Richard A.
Jun 7 2018 at 6:24pm
But is this true for Japan? It would be interesting to the see the average tariff rates for Japan for the same years.
Richard A.
Jun 7 2018 at 6:53pm
For 2007, the 5.2% tariff rate is probably the EU tariff rate. The five European countries as members of the EU would be tariff free between each other.
Michael Byrnes
Jun 7 2018 at 7:30pm
This is a brilliant post. (It is sort of similar to something Scott Sumner has said about inflation, although with trade we are looking at a more complex situation with multiple state actors).
I don’t know what the future holds regarding free trade. I guess if you ask me today I would say wiser heads will prevail and the US will stop these nonsenical tariffs soon. I wish I felt more confident of that.
This, I found to be the best paragraph of your post:
This is legitimately frightening. I don’t particularly believe that the US on a path to less trade, more war. But the odds that we are on that path today are far higher than they were a few years ago, IMO.
Alan Goldhammer
Jun 7 2018 at 7:55pm
Great post. It will be interesting to see if Senator Corker’s proposed bill requiring Congressional approval is acted on.
Mark Z
Jun 7 2018 at 9:43pm
Perhaps the diplomatic incentives for free trade have waned since the end of the cold war, during which free trade was seen as strengthening the first and third world against the threat of the Soviet Union. It’s also been a long time since a big war. No one remembers what the collapse of the ‘spirit of Locarno’ did to Europe anymore, and, as with socialism, people just seem to habitually forget the historical lessons about the dangers of protectionism within a generation or two.
Duncan Earley
Jun 8 2018 at 2:20am
If the US has lower Tariffs than the EU then surely at the very least it would be best if Trump increased US Tariffs to match?
Jon Murphy
Jun 8 2018 at 7:16am
In The Wealth of Nations Adam Smith discusses the possibility of using tariffs to get a reduction in tariffs from trading partners, but he was extremely skeptical about the likelihood of their success. I’m in the same boat as Smith. Were it probable, I’d say do it. But, economically speaking, the conditions necessary are extremely unlikely and politically there doesn’t appear to be much motivation from the US’ trading partners.
I think there is also the big question of whether or not Trump’s actual goal is to reduce tariffs. His whole goal on trade policy seems really unclear and at times contradictory. We should be really careful trying to impute strategy here, I think.
Vivian Darkbloom
Jun 8 2018 at 7:35am
Question(s):
Do the “average tariff rates” listed in the WTO chart represent the average rates prevailing between the US and the respective other countries in the chart (the bilateral rates)? Or, do the average rates represent the average of the rates imposed by each country with respect to *all* its trading partners? (A related question would be whether these average rates are weighted to the volume of trade).
In these discussions about trade, I would think the relevant comparison would be the average rate between each trading partner (e.g., the average rate the US charges China or the EU and vice versa. What relevance would the rate China imposes on, say, Australia have for bilateral US-China trade (aside from the possibility of using Australia as a mere conduit for which most trade agreements have, albiet mperfect, protections against)? If some countries have managed to negotiate more bilateral trade agreements, or bilateral trade agreements with lower rates, I would say good for them.
I would be surprised if the average bilateral rates vary much due to the recipricality of most trade agreements, but a disparity could occur if the rates are weighted for the volume of trade (e.g., China and the US impose identical rates on all goods but a higher rate on soybeans than other goods they trade and the US exports a lot of soybeans to China, while China exports more low tariff goods to the US). Some trade agreements may have perfectly bilateral terms, but due to the types of goods covered and the respective tariff rates on those goods, “asymmetries” may occur.
Thaomas
Jun 8 2018 at 9:44am
There were two candidates for president in 2016. This kind of trade and immigration nonsense was the clear platform of one or them. some peolple voted against those platforms some did the minority won. E very one should evaluate if they are happy with their decision to oppose or not
JFA
Jun 8 2018 at 10:00am
@ Duncan Earley: Why would that be best? It hurts consumers for sure, and you’d have to assume that the small change in relative prices induces consumers to choose the American-made substitutes for the European stuff (assuming there are American-made substitutes). You’d then have to hope that the gains to those producers are larger than the harm to consumers (a big if). All the while, you’d be ignoring the resources transferred to the producers who gain from the increased tariffs are coming from other producers whose goods and services were viable because of the resources trade allowed to be freed up.
Michael Sandifer
Jun 8 2018 at 10:26am
I think you’re right, especially given the metric Trump wanted to use to gauge progress. He wants to balance trade deficits. Tariffs won’t do that. I suspect that when he sees the lack of desired results, he will think he needs more and/or larger protections.
Michael Skolnik
Jun 8 2018 at 11:24am
In a column today in the Financial Post, Lawrence Solomon makes some interesting points that I don’t recall being made in my Economics classes. One is that back when tariffs were a major source of government revenue, the scale of government was limited by tariff revenue because having tariffs too high could result domestic production replacing imports. He suggests also that as a source of government revenue tariffs do not have as adverse side effects, for example on incentives, as some other taxes do. He also gives an example which suggests that the benefits of trade are to some extent nullified when tariffs are asymmetric.
http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/counterpoint-mad-at-trumps-tariffs-theyre-a-better-idea-than-you-think
Ralph Byrns
Jun 8 2018 at 12:34pm
Lots of reasons for optimism. Momentum augurs for increased globalization and improved human welfare across time. Supply chains increasingly leapfrog political borders. Legal and technological frictions are shrinking. Lower transaction costs facilitate international migration for almost all forms of human and physical and financial capital. And life is better.
TMC
Jun 8 2018 at 12:51pm
Thaomas, if this trade policy is considered a subset of foreign policy, hell yes I’ll accept the results of the election. Enforcement of immigration law is a nice addon.
I don’t like the protectionist attitude when it comes to trade, but I think Trump’s using it as a foreign policy tool more than previous administrations. Hoping it’ll end up pro free trade with foreign policy wins.
Hunter
Jun 8 2018 at 2:41pm
Seeing if I have the logic right. Trump is upset that other countries tax their people at a higher rate then we do. He raises taxes. Then the other countries raise taxes on their people even higher because they’re upset that Trump raised taxes on US citizens.
David R. Henderson
Jun 8 2018 at 7:15pm
@Richard A.
But is this true for Japan? It would be interesting to the see the average tariff rates for Japan for the same years.
I’ll check and get back to you.
@Michael Byrnes,
This is a brilliant post.
Wow! Thanks.
@Alan Goldhammer,
Great post.
Thanks.
@Mark Z,
Perhaps the diplomatic incentives for free trade have waned since the end of the cold war, during which free trade was seen as strengthening the first and third world against the threat of the Soviet Union. It’s also been a long time since a big war. No one remembers what the collapse of the ‘spirit of Locarno’ did to Europe anymore, and, as with socialism, people just seem to habitually forget the historical lessons about the dangers of protectionism within a generation or two.
Well said.
@Duncan Earley,
If the US has lower Tariffs than the EU then surely at the very least it would be best if Trump increased US Tariffs to match?
I think you’re kidding, right? If not, tell me, and I’ll answer.
@Jon Murphy,
I think there is also the big question of whether or not Trump’s actual goal is to reduce tariffs. His whole goal on trade policy seems really unclear and at times contradictory. We should be really careful trying to impute strategy here, I think.
I agree. That’s why I aimed this blog post at people who appreciate free trade but think that Trump will get it by imposing higher tariffs as a bargaining tool.
@Michael Sandifer,
I think you’re right, especially given the metric Trump wanted to use to gauge progress. He wants to balance trade deficits. Tariffs won’t do that. I suspect that when he sees the lack of desired results, he will think he needs more and/or larger protections.
Yes. I dealt with that somewhat in my post on Doug Irwin’s talk.
David R. Henderson
Jun 8 2018 at 7:17pm
@Hunter,
Seeing if I have the logic right. Trump is upset that other countries tax their people at a higher rate then we do. He raises taxes. Then the other countries raise taxes on their people even higher because they’re upset that Trump raised taxes on US citizens.
Unfortunately, you do.
EB
Jun 9 2018 at 12:00pm
Saturday morning
According to WSJ
President Trump Pitches ‘Tariff Free’ Trade Zone to G-7 Allies
President Donald Trump on Saturday called for the Group of Seven industrialized nations to become a “tariff-free” trade zone, ahead of his departure from this year’s summit.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-pitches-tariff-free-trade-zone-to-g-7-allies-1528556581?mod=hp_lead_pos2
According to WP
Trump delivers his most defiant trade threat yet to leaders at G-7
President Trump told foreign leaders at the Group of Seven summit that they must dramatically reduce trade barriers with the United States or they could lose access to the world’s largest economy. “We’re the piggy bank that everybody is robbing,” Trump said. “And that ends.”
Sorry I cannot access to the WSJ article and I cannot link to the WP article.
David, what is the problem?
Jon Murphy
Jun 9 2018 at 12:58pm
@EB David, what is the problem?
It doesn’t appear to be working.
Besides, as Michael Sandifer says above, Trump measures trade in terms of trade balance. He’s overturning our current “tariff-free area” agreement (NAFTA) because we’re “losing” at trade. What’s to stop him from throwing a similar fit if a G-7 tariff-free zone results in a trade deficit?
EB
Jun 9 2018 at 3:24pm
Jon Murphy,
With respect to the metric, see my comment on David’s post on Irwin’s talk.
I think it’s too early to say whether Trump’s strategy is working or not. Negotiations are at an early stage and the public exchange of views by “experts” is more biased and confusing than the news circulated by fake journalists.
Marty Mazorra
Jun 9 2018 at 7:36pm
Hunter, yep, I think you got it right in terms of real world consequences:
Countries who apply protectionist measures are simply abusing their own consumers, while fooling them into thinking they’re helping them.
Those here who are presently pushing for America to apply tariffs to its trading partners complain that we’ve been open to free trade for years while other countries have been forcing all manner of trade restrictions onto us. But that’s completely backwards thinking; other countries have been applying protectionist measures onto their own people, while we’ve had more freedom to buy from the outside world at outside-world prices.
Could it be that our ‘more’ open market is the reason we’re generally more prosperous?
David R Henderson
Jun 10 2018 at 12:10am
@Richard A,
But is this true for Japan? It would be interesting to the see the average tariff rates for Japan for the same years.
These are dated, but I just checked Jagdish Bhagwati’s excellent short book Protectionism, published in 1988. He writes:
By the early 1980s, the tariff level had gone down to 4.9 percent in the United States, 6.0 percent in the European Community, and 5.4 percent in Japan.
Jon Murphy
Jun 10 2018 at 8:43am
@EB-
Sorry, I do not know what comment you are referring to.
I think it’s too early to say whether Trump’s strategy is working or not.
Given our trading partners are threatening to hit us with tariffs, the evidence does not appear great.
EB
Jun 10 2018 at 10:04am
Jon Murphy,
This is the post with my comment
http://www.econlib.org/econlog/archives/2018/05/douglas_irwin_o.html
Jon Murphy
Jun 10 2018 at 11:18am
@EB-
That’s all well and good but the trade deficit/surplus is not a measurement of welfare at all. So, to the extent politicians use it as such, it means that they need to be educated on that matter.
EB
Jun 10 2018 at 12:16pm
Jon Murphy
In the 1970s, I learned from Gordon Tullock not to waste my time trying to educate politicians (earlier, in Argentina, I had learned not to mock them for their ignorance and excuses).
Jon Murphy
Jun 10 2018 at 1:01pm
@EB-
And yet Gordon never advocated complacency, either. He constantly worked at transmitting knowledge. It’s the same thing here.
EB
Jun 11 2018 at 9:03am
Jon Murphy,
No. Although Gordon (and all Public Choice scholars) never advocated complacency, his main interest was to understand the games politicians play (in October 1979, a few days after SK president Park was killed by his Security Chief, we were having lunch in Blacksburg, and for an hour he was thinking out loud how the game could have been played).
I’m sure Gordon’s had liked to argue this column
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-11/g7-summit-trump-s-leadership-isn-t-just-about-tantrums
rather than this DB post (a summary of a trillion posts on protectionism)
https://cafehayek.com/2018/06/state-no-business-drumming-business.html
Hazel Meade
Jun 11 2018 at 2:07pm
If Trump wants to balance trade deficits, the better course of action would be to devalue the US dollar. If imports suddenly become more expensive and exports cheaper (to foreigners), then the US will export more and import less.
This is probably not the greatest idea economically, but it might help deal with some of America’s public debt, as a fringe benefit (or silver lining).
Perhaps a clever course of action would be to convince Trump to devalue the dollar rather than impose trade barriers. Maybe there’s a way we could adjust the CPI formula so that SS COLAs don’t quite keep up with the inflation rate that will produce.
Duncan Earley
Jun 11 2018 at 9:59pm
Probably a bit later now but…
“I think you’re kidding, right? If not, tell me, and I’ll answer.”
I was only kinda kidding because I think that’s the logic used by Trump siders. That doing something may get the other side to at least talk about lowering tariffs.
PATRICK BUCHER
Jun 19 2018 at 11:52pm
Interesting view but I disagree with some points which may be a little over simplified. Comparing ag trade with steel may not be the best example. If China imposes tarrifs on our ag goods, then we should also impose an export tarrif to drive the prices even higher. so that the US is receiving the benefit of additional revenue, and it will more closely compare in value to losing our steel industry. The govt can also provide tax credits back to farmers, or other tax related incentives, or grants. We are competing against command economies subsidized by the Chinese Govt. Us companies in China are partners, not taxpayers or endless revenue sources for local governments. The author also overlooks the exponential effects on the economy of one segment of the manufacturing after another being decimated. Lastly, he discuss free trade, but does not focus on fair trade. Rather, he believes market conditions will dictate free trade (but free trade on all sides is a false utopia best left in school!). What has dictated US businesses moving offshore most of all has been the US tax policy over the last 30 years!
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