Since Elizabeth Bruenig has posted her whole opening debate statement, I thought I’d reply point-by-point. She’s in blockquotes; I’m not. Before I get started, though, let me say that personally, Elizabeth seems a gracious and kind human being. Still, even if I were an avid socialist, I’d be baffled by the way she tackles the issue.
It
seems very fitting to me that we should discuss these matters at
LibertyCon, as I do agree that we are currently facing a crisis of
liberty. The great authors of the Western tradition, the ancients and
the late antique and medieval luminaries who laid out the foundations
for what remains true and beautiful in our culture, would look see us as
profoundly unfree.
I spent many years studying intellectual history. Still, my honest reaction: While these “luminaries” were smart, most were also profoundly ignorant and dogmatic – and apologists for the brutal societies in which they lived. Most had near-zero knowledge of what actually sustains the true and beautiful in our culture, namely: science, tolerance, and markets. They have far more to learn from us – both factually and morally – than we do from them.
That said, I suspect the large majority of these luminaries would look at us with amazement. Indeed, when they exited of the time machine, they’d wonder if they’d died and gone to heaven. After all, they’d witness amazingly well-fed, healthy people enjoying a cornucopia of technology and art beyond their wildest dreams. Then they’d learn about the abolition of slavery and serfdom, the amazing progress of women, and the peaceful co-existence of conflicting religions and philosophies. And hygiene. And Netflix.
Would any of the luminaries till have the nerve to call us “unfree”? Probably a few misanthropes and hate-mongers like Augustine and Marx, though perhaps even they could be shock-and-awed to their senses by our resplendent world.
There is the first and greatest matter of interior unfreedom. In the Phaedrus,
one of his Socratic dialogues, Plato had his mentor liken the human
soul to a team of two winged horses led by their charioteer… The bad horse, undisciplined and self-indulgent, is always
dragging its poor yokemate and charioteer into pathetic and immoral
behavior; it is unbridled lust and greed and ravenous want, and
its domination of its team is the very definition of unfreedom. Nobody
ruled by such mad appetites could be said to be truly free.
I agree that Socrates might have this reaction. But even that’s unclear; perhaps he’d reach the more sensible view that the human nature is pretty stable. Stoic self-control was rare in ancient times, and remains rare today. And if he were even more sensible, he’d object to Bruenig’s hyperbole. In a world with eight billion people, you can find unbridled lust and ravenous want if you search hard enough. But most of the lust is bridled, and most of the want is measured.
Then there is the matter of exterior freedom. In Politics, Aristotle considered the natural slave, “one
who is,” in the words of Greek philosophy scholar Joseph Karbowski,
“naturally suited for slavery…” Aristotle’s natural slaves are confined
to pursuing the interests and purposes of others, he imagines, by a kind
of moral and psychological weakness; so much less binds us to the same
sort of existence, performing labor that only serves another person’s
ends, selling off the possibility of living toward our own…
When I heard Bruenig invoke Aristotle on slavery, I was expecting at least some acknowledgement that modern U.S. workers are freer than ancient Greek slaves. But if I’m reading her correctly, she seems to think that modern conditions are no better, or possibly worse. If so, this is beyond absurd. Even the crummiest job in the U.S. lets workers serve their own end of making money, and spending or saving it as they like. The vast majority of workers also get some satisfaction from being productive and socializing with their coworkers. It’s a lot better than historic slavery.
It’s
something of a shame now to see these greats peering down at us from
the occasional courthouse pediment or Cathedral niche. What would they
make of us now?
To repeat: Most would be astounded to witness what, to their eyes, would look like heaven. In any case, these “greats” were at best great for their time. Few would measure up to modern intellectual or moral standards. And yes, as a moral realist, I say today’s standards are plainly morally superior to those of the pre-modern thinkers who took slavery, persecution, and dictatorship for granted.
We’re ruled by passions and owned by things; we have
been taught that freedom is a vast blankness defined only by its
featurelessness, and we spend our lives laboring at the behest of
others, in hopes of surpassing those nearest to us instead of
cooperating with them.
Absurd hyperbole. In a world with eight billion people, you can probably find a few that fit most of this bleak description (though I doubt that a single human being has ever been taught that “freedom is a vast blankness defined only by its featurelessness”). But the overwhelming majority mix passion with self-control, and materialism with cherished ties to family and friends.
Capitalism itself sits at the
center of a web of mutually reinforcing ideological and material
structures which, taken together, diminish human freedom from the inside
out, and militate against human flourishing.
What measures of “human flourishing” does Bruenig have in mind? Every measure that social scientists study – happiness, health, leisure, life expectancy, consumption, and beyond – are near their all-time highs in the world’s most capitalist countries.
I. Capitalism and the will
Consider
the bondage of the will. Wherever the bourgeoisie has got the
upperhand, Marx and Engels observed, “it has drowned the most heavenly
ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine
sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation.”
In other words, capitalism brought modern religious toleration. Until Marx’s followers gained power in half of Europe and introduced the most heavenly ecstasies of atheistic fervor.
So
the spirit of morally neutral, self-interested utilitarianism came to
displace all that had come before. Hughes noted that “the spirit of
modern capitalism appears to be utterly value-free, without substantive
commitments, neutral with regard to the question of human flourishing.
This follows from its pure instrumentality; it is a concern with methods
regardless of goals, means not ends.”
If you wanted to convince students to not bother to read pre-modern thinkers, this would be a good way to do it. What childish hyperbole these “luminaries” write.
Capitalism fosters an obsessive
focus on one’s interests, meaning
one’s material well-being, and argues that the pursuit of such is an
unqualified moral good; it renders sustained contemplation for no other
purpose than to know the truth utterly useless and irrational, and
largely impossible.
“Largely impossible”? People have far more leisure time today than ever before. I agree that they spend little of it on “sustained contemplation for no other purpose than to know the truth.” But that’s because of the timeless fact that most human beings are philistines. Always have been, and probably always will be. No pre-modern thinker enjoyed the opportunities for Enlightenment that modernity delivers to everyone with Internet access.
It is preferable, for capitalists, that we do not
spend any time shaping or educating our wills, and thus they’re
simultaneously weak and tyrannical.
Absurd. Capitalists want disciplined, focused workers – and well-reward those who possess these traits. Impulsive people in capitalist societies have trouble even holding down a job, as sociologists of poverty are well-aware. Even if you focus on consumers, plenty of firms – such as insurance companies and lenders – want people to be strong-willed, because their products offer long-run gain for short-run pain.
II. Capitalism and the world
And
yet, capitalism claims to be the political-economic form that most
values free choice. The contradiction between the conditions on the
ground and capitalism’s self-image perhaps explains why, when you trace
its ideological roots, so much time is spent trying to explain how
people have consented or agreed to things they obviously haven’t
consented or agreed to.
A better story is that even relatively capitalist thinkers are over-eager to justify existing governments, which plainly are not consensual. See Mike Huemer’s The Problem of Political Authority.
John Locke claimed, for example, that by
agreeing that gold and silver are valuable, we agree to the unequal
distribution of wealth arising from the accumulation of capital;
This is indeed a poor argument on Locke’s part, but it’s a red herring. No sensible defender of capitalism claims people consent to aggregate social outcomes; that’s why Hayek’s slogan about society being “the product of human action but not human design” is so widely quoted. Instead, as in Nozick’s Wilt Chamberlain example, we focus on whether individuals consent to what they’re personally doing with their own bodies and their own stuff. (Thus, the capitalist ideal upholds the right of two men to marry each other, even if everyone else is horrified by gay marriage). Then, as I explained in my talk, there’s a second set of arguments designed to show that this system leads to good aggregate outcomes.
Thomas
Hobbes said that you can still be understood to have consented to that
which you were forced to do, even upon pain of death: All it means is
that you chose life.
Agreed. Hobbes’ argument is Orwellian and silly.
Similar hey-buddy-you-asked-for-this arguments
arise in cases where there are no other choices really available, as in
the payment of poverty wages and unsafe, sexually abusive or
exploitative working conditions.
It’s worth pointing out that in pre-modern times, the economy was so unproductive that almost everyone had to live in poverty. And even in the poorest countries, it’s normally multinational corporations that provide the best wages and working conditions.
But more fundamentally, almost everyone thinks that we can give morally meaningful consent even when our other option is terrible. As I mentioned in my talk, if you’re highly unattractive, your options in the dating market are poor, but that doesn’t make dating non-consensual. Similarly, if your productivity is very low, your wages will probably be low too. But why treat the employer as an “exploiter,” when no one else on Earth will offer you a better deal?
The
illusion of consent only emerges, in this context, to conceal the fact
that the average person under capitalism does not really control much of
his or her own economic activity, much less his or her own destiny.
Even if you believe that people can’t meaningfully consent to work for subsistence wages, what does this have to do with the vast majority of First World jobs that provide living standards that medieval kings would have killed for?
For
workers, paradoxically, the fullest expression of their agency (offered
under capitalism, that is) is the full alienation thereof. Huw Beynon
put it aptly in his account of Working for Ford:
“Workers are paid to obey.”
Sure, every employer expects you to take his desires into account. Why else would he hire you? But what’s so objectionable about the mundane fact that businesses don’t pay people to do whatever they feel like doing?
III. Socialism
But it doesn’t have to be this way, which is why I’ve come today to argue in favor of socialism.
Socialism has a range of expressions, and though it’s mostly argued against (though rarely, if ever argued for)
in its twentieth-century historical forms, the effect of any strands I
would advocate would be, at least, fourfold: 1) to de-commodify labor,
and as many other domains of life as possible; 2) to reduce or eliminate
workers’ alienation from their labor, society, and themselves; 3) to
reduce or the vast social and political inequality brought about by
capitalism; and 4) to diminish or destroy capital’s control over
politics, society and the economy.
If someone claimed that North Korea or Venezuela approximated these ideals I’d disagree, but at least understand why it might be plausible. But Sweden, where 70% work in the private sector? Furthermore, while Sweden has relatively low income inequality, it has very high wealth inequality – and it’s hard to deny Sweden’s richest families have considerable sway over Swedish politics.
We
already agree, generally, with the de-commodification of certain goods:
education, for instance, is largely de-commodified; there is also a
major grassroots movement to de-commodify healthcare. All this means is
to protect certain domains from total domination by market-based forces.
“Protected from total domination by market-based forces”? It’s more accurate (though still overstated) to say that these sectors are totally divorced from market-based forces. The results are predictable: Massive stable waste and low innovation, paid for by exploited taxpayers. Education is a case in point.
…These processes,
along with a more general process of de-commodification across the
board, will reduce social and personal alienation by transforming the
overwhelming competitive impulse in capitalist society into a
cooperative impulse. (It’s worth noting, I think, that is a goal that
sounds unreasonably optimistic only because capitalism sells us the
worst possible story about ourselves, imagining human nature as
inherently greedy, jealous, destructive and anti-social; this is another
way in which our own liberation to excellence is foreclosed for us.)
It also sounds unreasonably optimistic because self-identified socialists have dominated numerous countries without noticeably increasing the cooperative impulses of their citizenry. And don’t forget evolutionary psychology.
These
four fronts are only a rough sketch of the sort of socialism I
envision; my purpose here was to debate for its merits rather than to
supply particular policy parameters, which can be left to more talented
policy-makers than I. But the moral case, too, is important – primary,
even. Socialism represents a moral response to an immoral society, and a
harsh rebuke to the commandeering of the modern imagination by
individualism, cynicism, competition, misanthropy and indifference. With
regard to certain practices and industries, socialists may claim that
socialist-style approaches will result in greater utility or efficiency,
but the greatest recommendation of socialism is that it is its own
moral case, and this is nowhere clearer than in contexts where freedom
is held among the highest values.
As I mentioned in the talk, the Orwellian doublethink is palpable. People who do what they want with their own bodies and their own stuff are “unfree.” People who do what socialist policy-makers force them to do are “free.” And frankly, it’s Bruenig who seems cynical, misanthropic, and indifferent to me. Yes, people who run businesses want to make money; but most are also glad to create economic and personal opportunities for their workers, and valuable products for their consumers. And my opponent seems totally indifferent to these amazing achievements. I suspect she’ll insist that workers and consumers are unwitting accomplices in their own oppression. But again, that seems like a rather cynical and misanthropic view of things. Why not just say that businesses, workers, and consumers are working together in dignity for mutual advantage – and focus instead on the plight of the global poor who are excluded from this glorious marketplace by force of government?
READER COMMENTS
Nathalie White Castle
Mar 6 2018 at 3:10pm
Is there any video of the debate anywhere on the Internet?
Manfred
Mar 6 2018 at 4:53pm
In numeral 1 Bruenig says “Consider the bondage of the will.”
She never specifies exactly why I should consider it. “Bondage of the Will” is a (famous) book by Martin Luther, but has nothing to do with capitalism.
Luther’s book is a theology book.
Capitalism is about trade, voluntary trade.
It just goes downhill from there.
robc
Mar 6 2018 at 5:15pm
Does de-commodify mean something different than I think it means?
To me, the perfect example would be the craft beer industry. Beer had become almost entirely commodity products, even if Bud/Miller/Coors tried to advertise otherwise.
Now, thanks to the power of the market, we have many non-commodity choices.
Nathan Smith
Mar 6 2018 at 5:47pm
This is kind of a “ships in the night” debate, where the parties start so far apart that they can hardly understand each other. If I had more time, I’d like to build some bridges.
EconLog readers might be interested in my article “The Christian Case for Global Capitalism.” You can think of it as an argument for Caplan’s preferred policy regime from a philosophical outlook akin to Bruenig’s.
At the heart of Bruenig’s argument is an urgent desire to transcend narrow, acquisitive, philistine materialism through the cultivation of virtue. That’s a worthy project, but she’s completely mistaken in thinking that capitalism is an impediment to the accomplishment of that project. The “capitalism” she attacks is a caricature distilled partly from economic theory and partly from economic theory, and not wholly unjust as a description of the outlook of a certain class of people, but at bottom entirely separable from the institutions that define a capitalist economic system.
Caplan’s reaction of astonished contempt misses some important merits in Bruenig’s argument, yet is ultimately rather just. Bruenig’s essay makes me like her, and want to learn from her, and make common cause with her on important issues. But her anti-capitalist pose is silly, and worse, ungrateful for all the solid good that capitalism has done for mankind.
AMT
Mar 6 2018 at 7:55pm
The absolute worst part of it:
“the spirit of modern capitalism appears to be utterly value-free, without substantive commitments, neutral with regard to the question of human flourishing. This follows from its pure instrumentality; it is a concern with methods regardless of goals, means not ends.”
So what if it is value-free? The point is it achieves incredibly superior results. Oh, it did better, without even trying to? What a tragedy! So it’s morally superior to intend to help someone but horribly hurt them, than to greatly help someone without that being the goal?
Stupid, to the power of infinity.
Steve
Mar 6 2018 at 8:24pm
Debating this woman was the very definition of going after low hanging fruit. Not really worthy of Bryan’s time.
For fun go to her Washington Post page and just look at the titles of her articles. Pure comedy gold.
E. Harding
Mar 6 2018 at 8:35pm
“Debating this woman was the very definition of going after low hanging fruit.”
Not true. She is sadly all too popular, and isn’t that dumb.
Matt C
Mar 6 2018 at 9:28pm
She’s not using “commodity” in the economic sense. I assume she means changing its status from something viewed as saleable to something viewed as a quasi-public good. Something that’s no longer a source of profit. I think Bryan effectively countered that line of argument.
HH
Mar 6 2018 at 11:59pm
AMT – yeah, that view is held by so many people I know on the left. I suppose it’s easier to change the scale where intent matters more than results, because it’s easier to feel superior that way. It’s much harder to deliver results.
Anyway, if you consider “capitalism” to be a set of market-oriented institutions, they’re value-free (unless you consider letting people be free a value) in the sense that tools are value-free. Just so happens they’re tools good at creating amazing human flourishing.
Can’t decide if I find this more pretentious or more baffling. Capitalism causes people to cooperate you have to get other people to volunteer to interact with you, so you play nice and they do, too. “You will be made to cooperate” is a incoherent.
Bedarz Iliachi
Mar 7 2018 at 12:10am
The two men who marry each other want other people to recognize their union. This is what marriage means. So it is not remotely what they’re personally doing with their own bodies and their own stuff.. It is what other people force you to accept using State coercion. Not a great liberartian or capitalist example, I should have thought.
Mark Z
Mar 7 2018 at 1:19am
Bedarz,
“The two men who marry each other want other people to recognize their union. This is what marriage means.”
Not in a religious context. Most religions regard marriage as a sacrament, either conferred by a member of the clergy and/or by mutual consent of the participants.
To assume the ‘state definition’ of marriage is I think to miss the point. To analogize, capitalism upholds the right of Catholics to take communion regardless if everyone else is horrified by it. I doubt anyone would interpret this as to say that everyone else is required to accept the reality of transubstantiation.
Weir
Mar 7 2018 at 3:11am
We’re not just well-fed. We’re fat. Addicted to sensation, trivia, ephemera. To the news. The man who is rich and idle uses the most astonishing technology to watch cat videos.
There can actually be too much ruin in a nation, lest we fall prey “to the neglects which prosperity itself had encouraged.” The cultural contradictions of capitalism: “We become civilized, overcivilized, but we lose in spirit.” Which is why it’s so hard to find one rich man in ten with a satisfied mind.
Luxury is “the parent of arts, the support of commerce, and the minister of national greatness,” but also of “degenerate manners, the source of corruption, and the presage of national declension and ruin.” To Oswald Spengler and to the authors of the Port Huron Statement. And to Gauguin: “Civilization is what makes you sick.”
Think of the entitled, outraged, middle-class mobs of Silliman College. Anomie and ennui are the original First World Problems. Followed by the problem of your inflight wifi slowing down from time to time.
Bertrand Russell: “Our mental make-up is suited to a life of very severe physical labour. I used, when I was younger, to take my holidays walking. I would cover twenty-five miles a day, and when the evening came I had no need of anything to keep me from boredom, since the delight of sitting amply sufficed.”
What does leisure or life expectancy mean to a Buddhist? To an We’re not just well-fed. We’re fat. Addicted to sensation, trivia, ephemera. To the news, as you’ve said yourself. The man who is rich and idle uses the most astonishing technology to watch cat videos.
There can actually be too much ruin in a nation, lest we fall prey “to the neglects which prosperity itself had encouraged.” The cultural contradictions of capitalism: “We become civilized, overcivilized, but we lose in spirit.” That’s why it’s so hard to find one rich man in ten with a satisfied mind.
Luxury is “the parent of arts, the support of commerce, and the minister of national greatness,” but also of “degenerate manners, the source of corruption, and the presage of national declension and ruin.” To Oswald Spengler and to the authors of the Port Huron Statement. And to Gauguin: “Civilization is what makes you sick.”
Think of the entitled, outraged, middle-class lynch mobs of Silliman College. Anomie and ennui are the original First World Problems. Followed by the problem of your inflight wifi slowing down from time to time.
Bertrand Russell: “Our mental make-up is suited to a life of very severe physical labour. I used, when I was younger, to take my holidays walking. I would cover twenty-five miles a day, and when the evening came I had no need of anything to keep me from boredom, since the delight of sitting amply sufficed.”
What does leisure or life expectancy mean to a Buddhist? To an Epicurean or an Existentialist? To Heinrich von Treitschke or Martin Heidegger? To D.H. Lawrence, T.E. Lawrence, or T.S. Eliot? To the Stoics and ascetics and Christians like Bruenig, consumption is a sickness. Except when it isn’t. Inequality of consumption is, paradoxically, also a problem in Bruenig’s book.
But other than that, the topic of “living standards” is irrelevant. Prosperity is the problem. Distractions are destroying us. Freedom is slavery, and there’s nothing “greedy, jealous, destructive and anti-social” about the teachers’ unions, AFSCME, or the SEIU.
Dan Culley
Mar 7 2018 at 7:22am
Another sadly typical example of comparing capitalism in the real with socialism in the ideal, unmoored from the consequences of the incentive scheme that results. That Bruenig thinks it beneath her to detail exactly how one achieves “de-commodification” of labor is the epitome of this. How does one get people to do productive work? Who decides what to produce? Who can consume what? If we decide collectively, unsurprising our representatives will abuse the immense power they are given….
Adam
Mar 7 2018 at 8:33am
Bruenig avoids facts, history and humanity. It’s a moral argument, she says. Moreover, it all comes down to the sacrifice of liberty to gain an abstract, imaginary “human excellence”.
“…Socialism would relieve us from that sordid necessity of living for others” while also opening “up the possibility not of living strictly for ourselves, but for living for human excellence, for our own common good.”
No wonder socialism always decays into tyranny. Socialism prioritizes the moral ideal (“human excellence”) above the actions and existence of human beings.
Those imperfect beings are obstacles to the socialist ideal; obstacles that are always oppressed and suppressed as socialism advances. It’s the too well-traveled road to serfdom.
Martin Kessler
Mar 7 2018 at 12:06pm
So many people make a logical error when comparing Capitalism and Socialism,in that that they compare Ideal Capitalism with actual Socialism and find Capitalism superior or Ideal Socialism with actual Capitalism and find Socialism superior. In the ideal state, ideal Capitalism and ideal Socialism are identical systems.
Manfred
Mar 7 2018 at 12:27pm
By the way, Bruenig is (of course) not the first espousing such concepts against capitalism. Among the many, Stephen Marglin of Harvard (and he is still around) seems to be close to her thinking.
HH
Mar 7 2018 at 1:19pm
David Friedman recently made this comment on another blog and it describes Bruenig very well:
“I think there is a more fundamental issue. People routinely advocate consequences rather than institutions. They thus evade the question of whether there exist institutions that produce their desired set of consequences.”
Donald
Mar 7 2018 at 6:57pm
> Bruenig
Dear Gratitude Journal,
I am grateful that I do not equivocate the sincerity of a claim with the validity of the claim.
I am grateful for Bryan Caplan’s brevity in words and hairstyles.
I am super-duper grateful for the hard work of the moral, smart, and nuanced thinkers, past and present, on the liberty.org site, who have repeatedly provided empirical, relevant, and thoughtful evidence, in congruence with my own observations and experience, that it is entirely possible to interact and transact with other people, both individually and collectively, in a voluntary way that benefits everyone.
I am grateful that after reading so many moral, smart, lucid, and nuanced thinkers that demonstrated patience, compassion, decorum, integrity, skepticism, and humility, I now have more role models to emulate than I ever thought possible.
Lastly, I am grateful for all the folks who have worked so hard to bring the cost of making all of liberty.org content available for me to virtually nothing, while still working within the institutional framework of the rule of law, property rights, and the freedom to transact without coercion.
IronSig
Mar 18 2018 at 2:52am
FYI to the editor
The link to Sweden’s high wealth inequality goes nowhere on this server.
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