The Financial Times has an interesting interview with Esther Duflo, who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2019. She argues that developed nations have a moral duty to compensate poor countries for the damage done by carbon emissions:
If you combine these three numbers, you get basically the money value of the cost of carbon in the air. [University of Chicago economist] Michael Greenstone and his team estimated it to be $37 a tonne. So, take $37 a tonne, multiply by 14bn tonnes a year of carbon emissions — that’s the total footprint, including consumption, of Europe and the US. And you get about a little over $500bn a year. That’s the damage that we impose on poor countries, just the mortality damage. Just from the rich part of the world to the poor part of the world.
So that’s what I call a moral debt. This is not what it would cost to adapt; this is not what it would cost to mitigate. This is what we owe.
She advocates raising these funds by taxing the rich:
The minimum tax on corporations has been fixed at 15 per cent [under an international agreement]. But originally, the number that was proposed was 25. So I’m thinking, well, there is maybe a bit of margin. And if you went from 15 to 18 per cent, you could raise about $200bn a year.
And then, in February, the G20 discussed the proposal of Gabriel Zucman and the EU Tax Observatory of a tax on the super-rich — a tax of 2 per cent yearly on the wealth of the 3,000 richest billionaires. That would raise $300bn. So if you combine these two, you get to your $500bn.
I am sympathetic to her claim that Western carbon emissions have hurt poor countries, although as a utilitarian I don’t think in terms of “moral debts”. What does that phrase actually mean? Does it mean that transferring $500 billion from the rich world to the poor world would make the world a better place? If so, then why not say so? Why speak in terms of moral debts?
By now I may have antagonized both sides, supporters of Duflo’s proposal and conservatives that are skeptical of utilitarianism. So let’s examine some specific flaws in Duflo’s approach to public policy.
Duflo is correct that rich countries have imposed large negative externalities on poor countries, by warming the Earth’s climate. But she overlooks the fact that rich countries have also imposed large positive externalities on poor countries, or that these positive externalities are an order of magnitude larger than the negative externalities. Here are three obvious examples:
1. Western technology has caused the population of poor countries to be vastly larger than it would have been without contact with the West.
2. Western technology has caused life expectancy in poor countries to be much longer than it was before being exposed to this technology.
3. Western technology has caused per capita GDP in poor countries to be far higher than it would have been without this technology.
So if we were to take seriously the idea that externalities cause moral debt, then we would be forced to conclude that the poor world should pay vast reparations to the rich world. To me, this idea seems absurd. To be sure, many people I speak with favor forcing China to pay far more for technology they have taken from Western firms. But these people are often silent on the West’s “moral debt” for paper, the compass, gunpowder, the printing press, and all the other Chinese inventions that helped to shape the modern world.
History is almost infinitely complex, and thus any attempt to develop a ledger of net moral debits and credits based on positive and negative externalities will end up foundering on a host of arbitrary judgments.
A second problem is that Duflo’s proposed tax makes no sense if the underlying problem is externalities. Economic theory suggests the optimal remedy for negative externalities is to impose a tax equal to the external cost—in this case a carbon tax. (This is assuming that transactions costs prevent a voluntary solution.) Instead, Duflo proposes a tax on the rich, which would do little or nothing to address the problem of global warming.
In my view, Duflo’s proposal is an illustration of what can go wrong when you replace utilitarian reasoning with deontological reasoning. When it comes to public policy, it is not useful to think in terms of “moral debts”. Rather there are policies that boost aggregate global utility and policies that reduce aggregate global utility. A policy that slows capital accumulation while doing nothing to address global warming is not likely to boost global utility.
PS. I am not arguing that victims should never be compensated for damages they receive. Rather I am suggesting that compensation schemes should be judged on utilitarian grounds. Thus our legal system is based on the premise that people and companies are generally liable for specific damages imposed on others.
PPS. I suppose a wealth tax on billionaires sounds “progressive”, especially if the money is given to “poor countries”. But people like Bill Gates donate a larger share of their wealth to poor countries than do rich governments, and it’s likely that (dollar for dollar) his donations are more effective than those of governments. In fairness, Duflo suggests donating the money directly to the people in poor countries (which is much better than the approach used in many government run foreign aid programs), but I suspect that once governments become involved the money will end up moving from one government to another.
READER COMMENTS
Peter E
Apr 23 2024 at 11:12pm
Pollution is an externality. The adoption of western technology is not. It is the result of trade that was mutually beneficial to both parties. So I don’t think you can use that to balance out the ledger.
Jon Murphy
Apr 24 2024 at 7:03am
I don’t have a FT subscription, so perhaps this is discussed in the article, but her calculation of moral debt seems to rely on the assumption that 100% of the impact of carbon emissions in the West falls on poor countries. This assumption is implied by her calculation.
Now, I am an economist not a physicist, but wouldn’t the harm be highest at the initial point of emission and dispersed the further away one gets? Wouldn’t the “moral debt” be primarily owed to citizens of the West, and lesser so to the poorer counties?
Dylan
Apr 24 2024 at 8:24am
I think you bring up a good point, Jon. I also don’t have an FT subscription, but the numbers in the quote don’t seem to add up. Especially when she says this is just the mortality damage, but I don’t think that is typically all that is included in the estimate of the monetary damages of carbon. Would be interested to see if there’s a place where they walk through the math.
That being said, I think that C02 is a bit unique, in that the externality is felt globally. There are other pollutants that are associated with C02 emissions like mercury, and those damages might be a bit more concentrated, but the GHG emissions themselves are spread throughout the world and, based on everything I’ve read, the bulk of the damages do seem likely to be borne more heavily by the developing world. I think this is largely because they don’t have the same resources to mitigate the damages, but also a happenstance of geography. It does seem like the worst burdens will be felt in the middle latitudes, and I’ve seen some people even suggest that places like Canada will be a net beneficiary of climate change due to opening up of more land for agriculture and development and longer growing seasons.
Vivian Darkbloom
Apr 24 2024 at 9:09am
“…she says this is just the mortality damage…”
Why does she stop there? If one wants to try to tally up who (which countries) owes what to whom, shouldn’t the calculation be the *net* negative (or positive!) externalities? Much of what the West does that affects global mortality (and other factors related to the well-being of the human race), actually benefits residents of poor countries quite a bit.
We shouldn’t even try to do calculations with the aim to support reparations of any kind. My sense is that this is just an exercise to rationalize redistribution, irrespective of logic. In this respect, reparations are going to be something we will hear a lot more about in the United States:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-slavery-reparations-senate-judiciary-committee-american-freedmen-affairs-agency-2d993ac6?mod=hp_opin_pos_5#cxrecs_s
This falls, generally, under the same category of many of the mega-fines imposed by countries on succesful large corporations of other countries. The common denominator is: How can we rationalize getting into someone else’s deep pockets with the pretense that it isn’t theft?
TMC
Apr 24 2024 at 9:08am
Is she correct? Weather related deaths have plummeted and cold still kills 10x as much as heat. The extra CO2 in the air has brought upon a greening of the earth. Food production is up. Hurricanes have been in a lull, picking up a bit lately to approach normal, since anthropogenic climate change has begun. The Great Reef Barrier has hit an all time high in size and health. A lot of you probably haven’t heard that.
Now, of course, there may be the downside coming towards us for which we should continue to study and prepare for, but effects to this point have been mostly positive.
robc
Apr 24 2024 at 9:14am
I thought the optimal remedy was Coasean bargaining?
robc
Apr 24 2024 at 9:16am
I guess I should have read further before replying. But I make no such assumption. And doesn’t Coase suggest a legal framework that minimizes the transaction costs in that situation?
Scott Sumner
Apr 24 2024 at 11:33am
Coase says that the optimal solution depends on the size of transactions costs (which are likely to be extremely large in this case.) Carbon emissions are almost a textbook case for Pigovian taxes.
Jose Pablo
Apr 26 2024 at 12:29pm
Pigouvian taxes will do nothing to promote geoengineering solutions (which don’t reduce CO2 emissions) to climate change. These solutions may be the most efficient way of tackling this problem.
robc
Apr 24 2024 at 9:21am
Actually, its an illustration of what can go wrong with bad deontological reasoning. On deontological grounds, it makes no sense to tax the wealthy or businesses instead of taxing carbon output directly (if you are assuming Coase is out of the question). You would tax the “bad actors”/”bad action”, not some other group, that may or may not align on moral grounds.
And another flaw on deontological (and probably utilitarian) grounds is how you distribute the tax receipts. The only morally valid way would be a flat check to everyone, but I doubt her plan involves skipping past 3rd world governments and going directly to the individuals.
steve
Apr 24 2024 at 11:51am
It is nice to see you acknowledge that poor countries have been harmed. That usually gets denied or people immediately jump to coal usage in China and India. I think your point about positive externalities is a good one though isn’t that tempered a bit by the fact that poor countries have had to pay at least partially for most of those benefits? I am guessing they still come out ahead.
I would oppose this on pragmatic grounds. I dont see any way to make it work that would benefit anyone very much other than some govt officials and already wealthy people. What makes more sense to me is continuing support for research that will provide energy that is cheaper and cleaner. For all of the talk about small nuclear reactors precious few have been built. We should goose that to see how viable they are. (They could be especially good for data centers or other areas with intense needs.)
There continues to be really good work on solar cells (perovskites) and with batteries of many different types (storage in general). Some nice work recently on geothermal in played out fracking sites. All of this would help everyone, including poor countries. Then if you want to assuage guilt feelings offer some of the new tech at discounts or even donate some.
Steve
Scott Sumner
Apr 25 2024 at 12:10pm
Yes, the only thing that really moves the needle on poor country living standards is economic growth. That should be our focus.
Scott Sumner
Apr 25 2024 at 12:26pm
“isn’t that tempered a bit”
Yes, but only a bit.
Biopolitical
Apr 24 2024 at 3:35pm
This also assumes that those that are taxed have the least costly solution to the problem.
Jim Glass
Apr 24 2024 at 9:45pm
I don’t get the FT and haven’t read the article. Given the premise “damage done by carbon emissions”, should I assume she has some concern about mitigating the ongoing, future costs of same to “poor nations”, and that her $500b tax collected would be used in some way to reduce future global warming. Yes? No? If “no”, so she’s not proposing to remedy global warming, just a transfer, then this looks like a rhetorical bait-and-switch. “Tax billionaires. Because there’s inequality across the world. Because today’s reason creating moral guilt for the rich world is … (colonialism, racism, capitalism) … carbon emissions!” Piketty II.
Moral arguments are great for feeling righteous and posing as morally superior while not doing a dang thing to actually solve a problem — *that* being the responsibility of others who constantly fail us. But rhetorically they are easily reversed, resulting in everybody arguing and nobody doing anything, making the situation worse yet. Let’s see…
[] You are entirely correct that, as externalities bestowed upon the poor countries by the rich are “an order of magnitude larger”, by this logic “the poor world should pay vast reparations to the rich”. But you understate things! Who made the rich world so rich it could be so benevolent? The great energy companies! Just look at “mortality” alone — the plunge in childhood deaths and huge increase in life expectancy, and in number of human lives enjoying them, in rich countries. Add to that all the great wealth enabling all the spillover to the poorer. Is not making the initially poor ever richer morally virtuous? As the Industrial Revolution spread, that wasn’t caught in the price of coal. Morally, the energy companies are The Great Undercompensated Benefactors of All Humanity — and deserve tax exemption for the next 100 years. Yes! Or maybe not. Let’s argue.
[] She advocates raising these funds by taxing the rich. Of course, she’s French. Let nobody note the whole CO2-control project is a tax on the poor of today to benefit the far richer of tomorrow — even by the IPCC’s worst-case scenarios…
This isn’t to say we shouldn’t reduce global warming. But let’s be honest about who’s taxing whom for whose benefit. I’ll skip other CO2-control notions until someone answers my question.
[] Duflo suggests donating the money directly to the people in poor countries.Talk about “assume a can opener”. How does she propose to do that? By giving 2 billion poor people in the world’s poorest nations $250 each annually added to their social security checks, or as a credit on their tax returns?
And how does this help reduce future carbon emissions?? Tell me if I’m missing something. If I’m not and it doesn’t, then again, “Hey, here’s inequality, tax billionaires! And then to actually pay the cost of reducing carbon emissions, tax billionaires again. And then to shore up all our unfunded social welfare systems…” Piketty
[] As to posing with moral superiority but without actually doing anything to solve a problem … In next-door Germany the Green Party — the GREENS — are driving a huge increase in burning coal (by killing off nuclear power for votes, with exemplary timing). Perhaps — before telling the rich German people how much they owe via “moral debt” to the poor — Esther should tell the Greens just to get the heck off coal? And stop making the situation even worse, making “the rich” of Germany owe even *more*?
If she has no way even stop her next-door Green Party from burning more coal, how realistic is her world-wide $500 billion rich-to-poor annual transfer agenda? Why would anyone take it seriously?
Rajat
Apr 24 2024 at 10:10pm
It seems to be a growing trend that people who win Nobel prizes in economics become hard-left progressives and abandon all reason. I mean, how much sense does it make that a retired professor from a third tier university can so easily dismantle the arguments of such a luminary? Ok, not just any retired professor from a third tier university, a very special one – although I admit I am biased.
Incidentally, for most of the 20th century, the majority of poor people lived in China and India. Yet even today, India experiences far more deaths from cold than from heat, and I can only imagine the outcome would be more lopsided in China. It’s quite conceivable that global warming has on balance helped the people of the third world.
Presumably the reason she speak of a moral debt is to frame the past harms as creating a financial entitlement that poor countries should not need to appeal for or negotiate, but just receive, as of right. This seems to be the way progressives now talk about addressing the socio-economic problems of indigenous and black people in the US, Canada, Australia and elsewhere. What Duflo wants to present is that the rich effectively say to the poor: “We did wrong to you, we admit it, we accept blame for your predicament, and we will try to compensate for you that.” She’s careful to stress that such compensation would be separate to any solution, which I assume would sit on top of it. Possibly this could make sense from a utilitarian perspective if, having instituted an annual wealth transfer, all countries regardless of development stage and income per capita faced the same CO2-e emissions price. Whereas at the moment, poor countries are allowed to adopt much weaker (or no) emissions reduction targets, mostly in recognition of the fact that they haven’t yet developed and so mostly haven’t been responsible for the stock of emissions in the atmosphere.
Scott Sumner
Apr 25 2024 at 12:24pm
“This seems to be the way progressives now talk about addressing the socio-economic problems of indigenous and black people in the US, Canada, Australia and elsewhere.”
People often speak of reparations for slavery, but if you think in “counterfactual terms”, the actual case is far stronger for reparations for Jim Crow laws. (And that’s despite the fact that slavery was a vastly more egregious human rights violation.)
I’m not saying that historical counterfactuals are the right way to think about these issues, but then I don’t really understand the concept of moral debt.
Richard W Fulmer
Apr 25 2024 at 12:51pm
The case is even stronger for reparations for the Great Society programs – programs that are still in effect and still doing damage.
From the paper “Family Breakdown and America’s Welfare System”:
The results were catastrophic:
Study after study shows the impact of fatherlessness on children:
– 85% of currently imprisoned youths grew up without fathers.
– 70% of male sociopaths grew up without fathers.
– 70% of youths currently in state-operated correctional facilities grew up without fathers.
– Children from fatherless homes are twice as likely to drop out, twice as likely to commit suicide, and far more likely to abuse drugs.
– Girls who grew up without fathers are four times more likely to become mothers before the age of 20.
– According to Chicago Police Department records, the neighborhoods with the highest murder rates are also the neighborhoods with the most births to single mothers.
In the words of Walter E. Williams:
Jose Pablo
Apr 25 2024 at 11:55pm
People often speak of reparations for slavery
Well, if you speak in counterfactual terms it could be even worse than that.
The most likely counterfactual to slavery is your great-grandmother or great-grandfather being left in the beaches of Sierra Leone or Angola. This basically means that you will be living now in Sierra Leone or Angola with a GDP per capita of around $1,635 (2022 PPP) and desperately looking for any way of making a dangerous crossing into Sicily. Instead of living, for instance, in Toledo Ohio (the place with the lowest income for black householders) with a household income of $31.106.
It is not clear to me who owes reparations to whom.
Richard W. Fulmer
Apr 26 2024 at 4:48am
To put that $31,106 annual income into perspective, according to the World Bank, an income of about $34,000 puts you in the global top 1%.
Roger Schlafly
Apr 24 2024 at 11:44pm
All this is based on the premise that carbon emissions have damaged poor countries. On the contrary, carbon emissions are the byproduct of the Industrial Revolution and other advancements that have greatly benefited poor countries. If anything, the poor countries owe a debt to the rich countries.
Scott Sumner
Apr 25 2024 at 12:16pm
That’s similar to my claim. I’d put it this way: Carbon emissions have damaged poor countries, but the things that caused carbon emissions (rich world growth) have benefited poor countries by a much larger amount.
Jose Pablo
Apr 25 2024 at 11:41pm
Let’s say that we agree that CO2 emissions impose a $500b per year cost on developing countries (that’s very likely false but for the sake of the argument).
Why on earth this should be paid for by corporations and the super-rich?
Shouldn’t it be paid for by the people consuming the goods and services whose production emits CO2?
Did I miss something?
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