While in my car last week, I heard a story on NPR about how climate change makes storms like Ida even worse. I am no climate expert, and I am of the belief that the climate is changing due to both natural and manmade factors; but I know when a story sounds credible or not. This one didn’t, like many others I hear or read.
During the whole thing, I kept thinking of Thomas Sowell who said: “There are three questions that would destroy most of the arguments on the left:
- Compared to what?
- At what cost?
- What hard evidence do you have?”
Actually, I think no matter what side of the climate policy debate you favor, you should ask yourself those questions. The NPR reporters clearly didn’t do so. The piece completely ignores the “compared to what” question, nor did it provide any hard evidence, which is shocking since the point of the story was about climate change making things worse now than before.
See for instance:
“HERSHER: What climate change does is it adds fuel to a hurricane, fuel in the form of heat. So hurricanes form over water. You can think of them like engines spinning up like a propeller on a plane. And the energy for that propeller comes from the heat in the water. As the earth gets hotter, because of climate change, the water on the surface of the ocean it also gets hotter. So there’s more energy for storms like Ida to get really big and really powerful.
CORNISH: What’s the evidence for that? How do we know this happened with Ida specifically?
HERSHER: So we can basically observe it in real time, which is pretty terrifying. So, for example, let’s talk about the wind. On Saturday, the day before Ida made landfall, it had top wind speeds of about 85 miles an hour, which is pretty serious. It can remove shingles from a roof or snap off the limb of a tree. But overnight, the storm got a lot more powerful. The top wind speeds jumped to about 150 miles an hour. That is fast enough to tear whole roofs off of houses, snap power poles, you know, uproot entire trees. And that extra power, it came from the water in the Gulf of Mexico.”
While I listened I was thinking, “well, yes I guess this is how hurricanes operate. How is this different than in the past, though? And: How does this ‘expert’ explain the fact that sea surface temperatures have been rising since 1910, well before the sharp increase in atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases?”
The only vague reference to a measurement of sorts was this:
With respect to the assertion that “85 degrees, which is a few degrees warmer than average…” Which average? Average in the Gulf? Over what time period? I am not trying to be difficult, but this is not giving me information I can use to convince anyone who’s not already convinced. By comparison, here is what AEI’s Benjamin Zycher has to say:
That whole piece is a must-read as he calls for climate change realism, as opposed to catastrophism. He also sent me this link to peruse with this note: “No trend over 40-50 years in the satellite data for cyclones, major cyclones, or accumulated cyclone energy.”
In the same vein, the Wall Street Journal had a piece by Bjorn Lomborg also looking at this issue from a different angle but with the “compared to what?” question in mind. First, he had a chart looking the number of hurricanes making landfall over a 120 year period.
Then he put some of the data in perspective for those who say that there may not be more hurricanes now, but the ones we get are stronger than they were before. He writes:
He explained that point on twitter by adding this: “Satellite data starts around 1970, when Atlantic hurricanes are in a lull. Only looking from 1970s will incorrectly give an impression of an increase.”
Looking at the cost of hurricane damages isn’t too useful either, except to ask if maybe some government programs have created bad incentives for the growing number of people living and building in disaster prone areas. For a good article on this issue see Ike Brannon in Regulation Magazine.
I am sure people can take issue with some of these data. But the point of this post isn’t really to convince you that the evidence does not support the assertion that climate change makes strong hurricanes like Ida worse (though if you got that out of it, I would consider it a bonus). The point I am trying to get across is that if you are trying to make that argument like NPR reporters and many others often do, at the very least give us some “hard evidence”, and please, answer the question, “Compared to what?”
READER COMMENTS
steve
Sep 10 2021 at 9:01pm
Is there some reason to limit this to the US which accounts for less than 2% of the global surface area? I see economists do this quite a bit but not physicists.
Steve
Ricardo Cruz
Sep 11 2021 at 12:11am
If you go to the original source, it seems like the process of gathering the data and then uniforming it was difficult as it is. It would be fun to do it for every other country, if they even started measuring those things for as long…
Vivian Darkbloom
Sep 11 2021 at 4:18am
Here’s a source for global cyclone activity over the past 50 years. The North American trends seem to closely track global trends.
http://climatlas.com/tropical/
The authors in the study you cite make an important observation: the perception of hurricane activity in North America (both severity and frequency) by the media and general public seem to be more the result of increased levels of construction and populations moving to areas that have always been susceptible to hurricane activity. This has little to do with climate change and everything to do with population change. I also think that the damage caused by flooding has more to do with construction, forestry and agricultural activities (less aborption of rain and more runoff) as well as populations moving to floodable areas than it does climate change.
We need to stop subsidizing building in dangerous areas.
Alan Goldhammer
Sep 11 2021 at 9:35am
Yes, we do need to stop subsidizing building in dangerous areas and the government flood insurance program, while imperfect, has resulted in movement away from flood plains in some instances. You left unmentioned the dynamic nature of coastal areas in the gulf and east coast areas. The Outer Banks in North Carolina are especially susceptible to hurricane damage as are sea level areas in Florida. Government funded projects to control erosion contribute to long term problems by disrupting natural processes. The bayou areas in Louisiana have been impacted by flood control projects in the Mississippi River resulting in less silt deposit and erosion by natural tides. Yet, a lot of the citizens who were impacted by Ida stated their intent to rebuild and move back.
Alan Goldhammer
Sep 11 2021 at 11:02am
How ironic! I went out for my walk this morning and looked to see what podcasts were up on my list. Planet Money had a reprise of their classic ‘Flood Insurance‘ program that I listened to again. The Houstonian they interview who had his home flooded three times in five years commented that it was likely he could not obtain such insurance if it were only available on the private market.
john hare
Sep 11 2021 at 6:41pm
Living in Florida, I think it is bad to subsidize risky behavior. Either build to handle reasonably expected events, or build cheap enough to replace out of pocket. If private insurance won’t cover, why should taxpayers get stuck with the tab?? I have a real problem with the subsidizing of expensive beachfront properties.
Thomas Lee Hutcheson
Sep 13 2021 at 6:39pm
The same applies to building in wild-fire prone areas. And how does PGE get liability coverage for it’s transmission lines?
Thomas Lee Hutcheson
Sep 13 2021 at 7:36am
I agree. Big changes are needed in the incentives to build in flood and fire-prone areas, “pron” meaning estimating risks based on forward-looking expectations based on climate-change consistent models.
These changes have little to do with which changes in incentives are needed to slow and reverse CO2 concentration/
Jose Pablo
Sep 11 2021 at 6:57pm
The number of hurricanes on a given year is a variable with a probability distribution.
Given a sample data (for instance the number of hurricanes per year for the last X year) and the kind of statistical distribution of the phenomenon under discussion, what you can infer is the probability of the number of hurricanes this year been bigger than X (or smaller than X).
The right kind of statement would them be: “There is a X% chance for the number of hurricanes this year been between Y and Z”
A very different number of hurricanes can be observed in a given year and this information does not tell us anything about whether the main parameters of the statistical distribution of this phenomenon have changed.
Richard Gaylord
Sep 13 2021 at 12:08am
“We need to stop subsidizing building in dangerous areas.”
we need to stop subsidizing, period. the government should stop stealing (ie., taxing) from everyone in order to fund activities that the free market doesn’t.
Thomas Lee Hutcheson
Sep 13 2021 at 7:33am
But de Rugy said that man-made climate change was real, not “an argument of the left.” But to thy to answer the questions.
Compared to what would have happened without the increase concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere.
At a cost less than the cost of allowing CO2 to continue to increase
The evidence is the entire body of evidence going into the models linking CO2 increase to temperature, weather variability and ocean acidification.
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