There are various proposals for the federal government to deal with student debt. I’ve seen two main ones. The one I’ll deal with here is the proposal to bail out people who have student loans.
I came across this post from Justin Wolfers, written in September 2011. I debated Justin about lockdowns in Apriland We differed on that, but I agree with his bottom line here. I’ll note his thoughts in highlight and then give my comments after each.
He wrote that we should look at the issue “through five separate lenses.”
Distribution:
If we are going to give money away, why on earth would we give it to college grads? This is the one group who we know typically have high incomes, and who have enjoyed income growth over the past four decades. The group who has been hurt over the past few decades is high school dropouts.
I agree. I would tweak the language a little. “We’re” not giving it; the federal government would be the entity that gave it and it would take from us to do so.
Macroeconomics:
This is the worst macro policy I’ve ever heard of. If you want stimulus, you get more bang-for-your-buck if you give extra dollars to folks who are most likely to spend each dollar. Imagine what would happen if you forgave $50,000 in debt. How much of that would get spent in the next month or year? Probably just a couple of grand (if that). Much of it would go into the bank. But give $1,000 to each of 50 poor people, and nearly all of it will get spent, yielding a larger stimulus. Moreover, it’s not likely that college grads are the ones who are liquidity-constrained. Most of ‘em could spend more if they wanted to; after all, they are the folks who could get a credit card or a car loan fairly easily. It’s the hand-to-mouth consumers—those who can’t get easy access to credit—who are most likely to raise their spending if they get the extra dollars.
This is Justin’s unreconstructed Keynesian perspective. His view is that one should stimulate the economy by having the government give money to people who will spend it. I think a better way, and a much cheaper way, is with monetary policy. But I agree with him that from either vantage point, this is not good macro policy.
Education Policy:
Perhaps folks think that forgiving educational loans will lead more people to get an education. No, it won’t. This is a proposal to forgive the debt of folks who already have an education. Want to increase access to education? Make loans more widely available, or subsidize those who are yet to choose whether to go to school. But this proposal is just a lump-sum transfer that won’t increase education attainment. So why transfer to these folks?
I agree. But I also think it would be a bad idea to have any level of government further subsidize college students. That’s a subsidy from a broad cross section of people to people who will be relatively wealthy. It also distorts incentives. Let people go to college by comparing the costs and benefits, not by subsidizing the costs.
Political Economy:
This is a bunch of kids who don’t want to pay their loans back. And worse: Do this once, and what will happen in the next recession? More lobbying for free money, rather than doing something socially constructive. Moreover, if these guys succeed, others will try, too. And we’ll just get more spending in the least socially productive part of our economy—the lobbying industry.
Yes. A bunch of kids and a bunch of non-kids. There are a lot of 30-somethings with substantial student loan debt.
Politics:
Notice the political rhetoric? Give free money to us, rather than “corporations, millionaires and billionaires.” Opportunity cost is one of the key principles of economics. And that principle says to compare your choice with the next best alternative. Instead, they’re comparing it with the worst alternative. So my question for the proponents: Why give money to college grads rather than the 15% of the population in poverty?
Agreed. I don’t want the government to give it to people in poverty either. I want governments to get rid of the barriers that make it harder for people to get out of poverty. But giving money to poor people would be less bad than bailing out people with student loan debt.
Conclusion: Worst. Idea. Ever.
Well not literally and I’m sure Justin doesn’t mean it literally. But it is a really bad idea.
And I bet that the proponents can’t find a single economist to support this idiotic idea.
I hope he’s right. We’ll see.
He left out one major argument: the injustice of bailing out some while others paid off their student debt or scrimped and saved (or had parents help) so that they didn’t get into debt in the first place.
Next up: Ben Shapiro’s bad idea.
READER COMMENTS
Diana L Weatherby
Nov 20 2020 at 2:30am
In addition to your arguments, which I agree with whole-heartedly, it also provides more incentive to make bad decisions. It would encourage people to take on more debt. If I believe all my debts will be forgiven, that will change the cost/benefit analysis. In the end, fancy private schools will end up with more money ultimately paid for by the taxpayer.
An Educator in SLD
Nov 20 2020 at 7:57am
Speaking of lenses to consider this issue through, there are a few more lenses forgotten here. I see alot of anti- forgiveness rhetoric, and alot less truly investigative thinking. As someone working in the very system that has people in so much debt, education, I wish I could benefit more. I make over 50k a year, however cost of living, not even other debt, is a big problem. I even have a roommate so no, its not about poor budgeting on my end. If I were to make those payments on the loans I HAD NO CHOICE IN THIS COUNTRY, after my scholarships but to get if I wanted to teach, I’d be homeless. Not everyone has family to run to the live with. There is a serious lack of effort to reconcile the issues we are seeing between cost of living continuously rising, but wages increasing at barely a snails pace. What is that nonsense about? People need assistance, not the money. The money could care less if we forgive it or not. Its actually about how people feel about the need for all of this money. People put value on things. And half of the problem, is this love of money and not of people instead. Without us, the money does not matter. Re-calibration of thought and a real dose of economic hardship is needed to fully understand the impact of this. Not from people who have others to lean on.
John hare
Nov 20 2020 at 2:53pm
Feelings are not a good metric for economic decisions, especially when you want to use my money for your feelings. I have a son, daughter-in-law, and a granddaughter with student loan debt and I still see loan forgiveness as a bad idea. One part of assistance would be putting market discipline on the school systems.
Last I read, it was over $13,000.00 per year per student in K-12. It doesn’t require a spreadsheet to see that most of that money doesn’t make it to the classroom. As for having no choice, spending major bucks on a degree without decent ROI is a choice.
Jon Murphy
Nov 20 2020 at 4:53pm
What are you saying you have no choice about? Paying the loans? Taking out the loans?
Felix
Nov 20 2020 at 9:34pm
Perhaps his complaint should be that his education wasn’t very good, especially for how much he paid, if that is typical of his writing quality.
Jon Murphy
Nov 20 2020 at 10:31pm
Nah. Mistakes like that happen all the time. You’re typing fast and your brain is moving faster than your fingers. A common and forgivable mistake.
AMT
Nov 23 2020 at 2:55pm
It’s terribly written and unclear, but this person is saying that in order to become a teacher, (“if I wanted to teach”) they had to take out the loans (not that they were forced to become a teacher and therefore forced to take out loans).
To pile on the criticisms of this person, whom I can only hope is not not an English teacher,
You’re complaining about the financial burden of student loans, yet it’s not about money?!…I hope you are not teaching any kind of logic, either.
Alan Goldhammer
Nov 20 2020 at 9:12am
The entire program was ill-thought out. It encouraged a lot of young people to assume debt that they might not be able to repay and set up numerous for-profit institutions that promised dreams that would never materialize. The Dept of Education totally screwed up the loan forgiveness (don’t know if this is the correct term) for loanees that go into public service jobs after graduation such as healthcare and teaching. There are numerous stories of recipients being denied forgiveness despite meeting all the qualifications.
suddyan
Nov 21 2020 at 6:56am
[It encouraged a lot of young people to assume debt that they might not be able to repay…]
They took the risk. Now, after the result of that risk-taking has manifested in the always probable negatively outcome for some, they want to force responsibility to handle it onto others.
That is almost the very definition of selfish.
[The Dept of Education totally screwed up…]
And there you go helping them blame others.
Not much moral difference between them and you, it seems.
john hare
Nov 21 2020 at 1:46pm
Not sure what side I am on here. I would say it enabled a lot of inexperienced young people to assume debt they might not be able to repay. To quote Dave Ramsey, “Who thought it was a good idea to loan a hundred grand to 18 year olds that have never had a job?” I think loan forgiveness is bad while also believing that the system is seriously flawed. Young people, often without the background to understand what they are signing up for are all too often assuming non-bankruptable debt for a credential with lousy ROI.
IMO, going forward, get the federal government out of the business of cosigning loans. Let the schools underwrite any students they see as good risks. Let businesses subsidize any they consider worthy. Let loan institutions take the risk of financing these young people if they so choose and are willing to take the risk. And let businesses decide if they want to continue requiring degrees for jobs that manifestly don’t need them. I think the outcome would be less expensive education both in time and money when the schools had to either deliver an affordable product worth the investment or go under.
I also believe the department of education screwed up, but at some point individuals need to take ownership of their own mistakes. I paid a lot of stupid tax after following the advice of those I thought wiser. I sometimes still get angry after all these decades. That’s my problem, not yours.
Steve
Nov 20 2020 at 9:14am
Anyone who has any business going to a 4-year school has access to reasonably low-cost education. Every state has a state school, and many communities have community colleges where one can spend their first two years.
No one is forced to spend $60,000/year on a private school, and no one needs to do that in order to get a decent job. For those of us who opted to go to a state school instead of some leafy private campus so that we could avoid mountains of student debt, the idea of paying for someone else’s private tuition is downright offensive.
Glenn
Nov 20 2020 at 11:21am
Re: “And I bet that the proponents can’t find a single economist to support this idiotic idea”: Untrue. Now, the economists at Econlib might be able to argue about whether good economists support this idiotic idea, but intellectual hackery is not unknown among professional economists. In Feb. 2018, the Levy Economics Institute published The Macroeconomic Effects of Student Debt Cancellation by Scott Fullwiler, Stephanie A. Kelton, Catherine Ruetschlin, and Marshall Steinbaum. (I saw the article “Student Debt is a Moral Problem. Always has been” by Mitch Green linked in a tweet from Kelton yesterday, which linked to this report.) Of course, it’s poorly argued, but the authors are economists. So, alas, not just economists but rising stars like Kelton support this idea.
Nichole Leach
Nov 20 2020 at 12:54pm
I am 45 years old. I took out $70,000 in loans for my 2yr degree and my sons 4yr degree. I have paid back $10,000 I owe $93,000. I am in the public loan forgiveness program and have 5 years left on paying my loans (if they honor it at the end). My payments should be $800 a month which I cannot afford. So I do have income driven payments. Side note because I had 3 different types of loans and each type had 6 different loans on them, when I missed a payment 1 month on all 3 loans, my credit report shows I missed 18 payments. This happened in 2014. I have not missed any payments on anything since, yet when I apply for credit and am denied it is always because I have serious delinquency. I wish I never took out any student loans.
Philo
Nov 20 2020 at 1:55pm
Wolfers is a very intelligent, highly respected economist; so I was amazed at the obtuseness of his remark, “Much of it would go into the bank.” Does he think the bank is the place where dollars go to die? Is the bank not going to increase its lending, to a borrower who is going to spend the money? Perhaps he is confusing “spending” with “spending on consumer goods” (most of the bank’s customers will buy capital goods); but whatever he is doing, it is shockingly unperceptive.
IVV
Nov 20 2020 at 2:57pm
Admittedly, I personally don’t have student loans. However, I do have a mortgage, and if I suddenly I received $50K forgiveness to the mortgage, I’d… keep paying down the mortgage as I have been. No change to consumption or investment.
In theory, I would stop paying the mortgage sooner, but that’s a downstream effect and wouldn’t change my circumstance for now.
Philo
Nov 20 2020 at 5:45pm
No change in consumption or investment by you, but what do you think the bank (or other mortgage provider) will do, almost immediately, with the dollars you are passing back to it?
AK
Nov 20 2020 at 6:00pm
What are your thoughts on this article:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/canceling-student-debt-would-stimulate-the-economy-and-voter-turnout/
and this paper which they refer to:
http://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/the-macroeconomic-effects-of-student-debt-cancellation
One thing that jumps out at me is that the latter is written by Stephanie Kelton & Co. of MMT fame, but I wonder how their other arguments stack up.
Hugh Cassidy
Nov 21 2020 at 5:24pm
“Conclusion: Worst. Idea. Ever.
Well not literally and I’m sure Justin doesn’t mean it literally. But it is a really bad idea.”
David you might want to acquaint yourself with The Simpsons “Worst. Episode. Ever.” meme
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