
My favorite economist is Tyler Cowen. But this isn’t because he has a great track record at predicting things—none of the greats do. Unfortunately, our society places way too much weight on prediction. Even worse, we don’t know how to evaluate whether people have done a good job at predicting. Bubbles are a great example of this phenomenon.
Over at TheMoneyIllusion, I have a new post claiming that bubbles do not exist. They are mythical entities, like ghosts, alien spacecraft, or fiscal multipliers. But I’m confident that I will lose this debate, and in this post I’ll try to explain why.
Consider the following thought experiment. Once during each of the next 99 months, Tyler predicts an asset price bubble will burst. Each time, I write a snarky post explaining that the EMH “proves” that bubbles don’t exist. And let’s also assume that each of Tyler’s 99 predictions turn out to be spectacularly correct. Each time, the asset he singles out quickly goes to zero.
Who wins that argument? Who should win that argument? (Answers: Tyler, me.)
Tyler’s track record would need to incorporate all of his bubble predictions, including this one from 10 years ago when Bitcoin was at $30:
With apologies to Scott Sumner, I say Bitcoin is a bubble. Outside of war and rebellion, do “normal” new currencies behave this way?
I know what you are thinking: “Oh, come on, you can’t seriously suggest that getting 1 out of 100 predictions correct makes you a better forecaster than someone who is completely correct 99 times out of 100?”
Yes, I’m dead serious. For a bubble claims to be meaningful, they must be in some sense useful. A bubble claim is an implied prediction that an asset is overpriced, and is not a good long-term investment. Maybe it will go somewhat higher, but eventually it will crash.
I know what you are thinking: “Even so, in your thought experiment Tyler was correct 99 times out of 100. So he’d be better even using your pragmatic definition of truth.”
Not quite. Investors don’t care about the number of wins and losses; they care about the total return of a portfolio. An investor that invested $30 in Bitcoin, and also invested $30 in each of the 99 other (lousy) assets, would have ended up 10 years later with nearly $30,000, a 10-fold return. Those that took Tyler’s advice and refrained from all 100 of those highly speculative investments would have missed out on those outsized gains.
Thus despite being “wrong” about 99 out of the 100 cases, I would have been right about the broader point—bubble claims are meaningless nonsense. In an efficient market, the vast majority of assets that have the potential to go up 1000-fold will in fact go down sharply.
Now I think you can see why it’s inevitable that I’ll lose this debate. Most people just don’t have brains that are wired to think this way. Put me in a room with a really bright blogger (say Scott Alexander or Matt Yglesias) and I might eventually be able to convince them with my arguments. But there’s no way I’ll ever move the needle for society as a whole. The argument that the guy wrong in 99/100 cases was more correct than the guy who made accurate predictions in 99/100 cases is just too counterintuitive, too much against common sense. It would be like convincing people that the 2008 financial crisis didn’t cause the Great Recession, or that rising interest rates don’t mean that money is getting tighter, or that price gouging is good. There are some things that are just too counterintuitive to be accepted as conventional wisdom. And yet it moves . . .
Bubbles don’t exist, but “bubbles” are never going away.
And I’ve accepted that. But I’ll keep beating my head against the wall, in the slim hope that I’m wrong to be so pessimistic.
PS. This post also has implications for reputations based on predictions. (BTW, I’d argue that Tyler’s reputation is based on his talent as a critic and analyst, not prediction.) Do we overrate pundits that seem to make correct predictions? Do we sufficiently downgrade people after failed forecasts, such as the people who made lots of false financial crisis predictions before getting it right in 2008? Or who got it right in 2008, and then did poorly afterwards? Do we have such a deep innate hunger for soothsayers that we seek Delphic oracles in areas where prediction is essentially impossible, such as the timing of business cycles?
PPS. Ten months ago, Bloomberg told us that there was a 100% chance of recession within the next 12 months. Rest assured, I keep track of these things. Like a dog holding onto a bone, I’ll never let them forget.
PPPS. The title of this post reminds me of a classic pop song from 40 years ago (“99 Red Balloons” in English.). Surprisingly dark lyrics for such a poppy earworm.
READER COMMENTS
Dylan
Aug 11 2023 at 2:40pm
I think you make some good points here.
This part in particular is why I’m not that impressed with Bryan Caplan’s betting winning streak outside of his ability to reel in the suckers. In any efficient betting market, he would have gotten way worse than even odds on the bets he’s made, and he’d have significant “black swan” risk in his portfolio that would eventually wipe out all his gains and then some.
I don’t think this follows though, because I think you define bubbles in a way that doesn’t square with how most people think about the term. I’d venture that most people have a model of the world that has some concept of the idea that there is a “true” intrinsic value for all assets at a given moment in time. Finance people might say something like it is the discounted sum of all future cash flows. Non-finance people are not going to be that fancy about it, but they’re going to share the sentiment. I have no idea what Game Stop trades at these days, but I feel confident that whatever it is, the price can’t be justified by any realistic state of the world where Game Stop is going to make cash flows in the future that would justify the price today. If you buy into that valuation framework, it seems fine to call something a bubble when it gets far ahead of that theoretical intrinsic value. That doesn’t require making a prediction about when valuations are going to return to normal or how, just that they probably will at some point.
I don’t really believe in the intrinsic value theory and I’m guessing you don’t either. But, if you want to win the debate about bubbles, I think you have to start there and get people to believe that value is totally subjective. Good luck!
David Seltzer
Aug 11 2023 at 4:37pm
Dylan: “I’d venture that most people have a model of the world that has some concept of the idea that there is a “true” intrinsic value for all assets at a given moment in time.” Agreed! In terms of a subjective theory of value, value comes from the human mind. As I understand the concept, the value of any good is not determined by the inherent property of the good, but by the individuals or entities who are buying or selling the object in question. Assuming trades between individuals are voluntary, one can conclude both parties to the trade, subjectively perceive the goods or money they receive, as being of higher value to the goods or money they trade away. One can create value simply by trading with someone who values the items higher. Cultural significance, sentimentality, nostalgia, and scarcity can influence the value of objects. Collectables like classic cars often trade at substantially higher prices than their original sales prices. At auction, bidders indicate what value they believe the object holds. Each bid raises the value, though the item itself has not changed in function or form. Apologies for the long post.
Scott Sumner
Aug 11 2023 at 4:40pm
“believe that value is totally subjective”
With all due respect, I think you are a bit over your head in using terms like “intrinsic” and “subjective”. Even the world’s greatest philosophers cannot agree on how to define these concepts. The meanings are fuzzy to the point of being useless. There are market values (prices) and there are the values assigned by individuals based on their expectation of future investment returns. Are those both “subjective”?
Alternatively, if you wish to define “bubble” as something that goes up and then down, that’s fine. But it would be a completely useless definition.
Here’s what I do believe. Values are determined by what people are willing to pay. That depends mostly on future expected cash flows. The term “bubble” usually applies to the case where any rational outside observer could easily see that the market price is too high, which would imply that that mutual funds composed of non-bubble stocks would reliably outperform a mutual fund of bubble assets over the longer run. But all sorts of studies suggest that people are not able to come up with mutual funds that reliably outperform the market. So?
You say it’s hard to see where Gamestop’s future cash flow comes from. Yes, and 10 years ago that was also true of Bitcoin.
Dylan
Aug 11 2023 at 6:27pm
Probably! Honestly, I’m over my head when it comes to most words and ideas. Defining things is hard and concepts are fuzzy all around. For what it’s worth, I cribbed “intrinsic” from the Investopedia section on absolute valuation models. I was trying to get at the idea that lots of people seem to think of valuation of items as some kind of Platonic ideal (there I go, getting in over my head again) that is independent of what actual people are paying for the thing. Contrasting with a subjective value being just that the thing is worth whatever price a buyer and seller agree to.
Let’s work off of the bolded as an ad hoc definition. I’d say that we can’t truly know if something is/was a bubble until after the fact, probably long after the fact. I still think the term bubble can be useful while one is (potentially) in the middle of one. It’s basically shorthand for “hey, this basket of things has gone up in value really quickly and by historical standards looks very expensive compared to similar things throughout history. It could keep going up! But, it could also go down just as suddenly. For it to keep going up as quickly as it has so far, you have to believe that not only is that sector going to grow really fast, you have to believe that everyone else is underappreciating just how fast it will grow.” That’s a useful sanity check for investors and in that way I think the “hey this looks like a bubble forming” conveys more information than a “hey, these stocks look expensive.”
That’s still true of Bitcoin. I say that as someone who bought Bitcoin almost that long ago, and who still holds most of it. The constant calls of “wow, this looks pretty tulipy” were annoying, but also helpful! And they have been right to an extent, in that no one has figured out the killer app for Bitcoin or even blockchain yet. I haven’t come across any model for quantitatively valuing bitcoin that makes any kind of sense, and I’ve found the “it’s worth something because it is worth something” not very persuasive for most people I’ve tried it on.
Scott Sumner
Aug 11 2023 at 11:27pm
“I’d say that we can’t truly know if something is/was a bubble until after the fact,”
I’d say that’s exactly why bubbles don’t exist. For bubble to have any useful meaning, it must be recognizable in real time. Otherwise the concept is useless. (Some people believe they can be spotted in real time.)
Dylan
Aug 12 2023 at 7:47am
For a recession to have any useful meaning, it must be recognizable it real time. Otherwise the concept is useless. True?
Scott Sumner
Aug 12 2023 at 1:57pm
Well, recessions are generally recognizable in real time (except for the data lag.) Note that (unlike financial markets) the labor market is not efficient. I’ll discuss this in an upcoming post.
steve
Aug 13 2023 at 1:35pm
Arent you in a Catch 22? If people could realize the market price was too high they wouldn’t buy it and you wouldn’t have a bubble. Personally I think it is still a useful term even if you cant be sure until the bubble pops ie the price rapidly drops. I think it fits under the phrase “markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.” If there were no emotions involved in investing and it was all cool, clear headed rational decision making I would be more inclined to agree with you.
Steve
robc
Aug 11 2023 at 3:07pm
Counterpoint: Michael Bury.
I don’t know how his investments did before or after his one shorting the housing market, but like with your example of bitcoin, even if he is only right 1 out of 100 times, doesn’t his oversized gains from that 1 then prove that bubbles exist?
I also wanted to point out that I am using a different example of shorting the housing market this time! I think in the past I have always referenced John Paulson.
Scott Sumner
Aug 11 2023 at 4:40pm
robc, I haven’t followed Bury, but in the case of Paulson I’d say that the fact that he did poorly after 2008 suggests his gains during 2008 were due to luck. I’d also say that the guy that won the recent lottery was lucky, and probably doesn’t have a secret formula for predicting the winning number.
robc
Aug 11 2023 at 5:55pm
How is that different from the bitcoin example?
Paulson had 1 big gain and lost on a bunch of other things but came out ahead compared to if he had done nothing.
Yeah, maybe it was luck. But maybe Tyler got unlucky on bitcoin.
Here is the thing. Even with the EMH, arbitrage opportunities exist. In fact, they are what makes the EMH work, there is a profit mechanism that pushes us closer to perfectly efficient. What is the difference between an arbitrage opportunity and a bubble?
I think my quibble might be with “any” and “easily”. Bury dug into the specific details of the Mortgage Backed Securities, looking up the information on all the holdings. Thats how he determined they were junk and would eventually fail. He actually acted too soon. I don’t know if any observer could have done what he did and how easy it was to understand the numbers, but my understanding is that any reasonably competent financial analyst could have done it. If they had the autistic obsession that Bury had.
On the other hand, I came to a similar conclusion about the same time as Bury, but thought it would play out differently (which is why I am not a billionaire today). I thought the housing market would go stagnant for a long period of time instead of crashing. But, then again, I was right for most of flyover country. I didn’t live in CA or FL or AZ or NV to see what those markets were like first hand. I actually bought a new house in 2007 in KY and it was a good time to buy because the market was doing what I expected there. It was interesting house shopping…it took me a while to find a house (and even longer to sell my condo) because things were so price sensitive. What I saw was that if you priced your house too high*, it would not sell for a long, long time. If you priced it right, you would get offers immediately.
*that is probably a reference to some intrinsic value
Scott Sumner
Aug 11 2023 at 11:34pm
“maybe Tyler got unlucky on bitcoin”
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m claiming. He posted on the highly unusual asset that was like winning a lottery. It would be like me predicting my next door neighbor would never win the lottery, and then find out he won $100 million. That would be bad luck on my part!
As far as Paulson, Bury, etc, that’s consistent with efficient markets. A few people will have outsized returns due to luck or skill. But the path to riches won’t be obvious, otherwise all those smart people on Wall Street wouldn’t have lost billions in 2008. They would have done the same as Paulson.
Some people said they knew it was going to crash because housing was obviously a bubble. They made lots of money shorting the market, but housing wasn’t a bubble!
Rob Rawlings
Aug 11 2023 at 5:54pm
Would I be correct to assume that even if Bitcoin crashed to zero next week (and made Tyler’s prediction 100% accurate) you still wouldn’t accept that bubbles exist?
If so then what events would persuade you to change your mind about bubbles ?
Scott Sumner
Aug 11 2023 at 11:40pm
“Would I be correct to assume that even if Bitcoin crashed to zero next week (and made Tyler’s prediction 100% accurate) you still wouldn’t accept that bubbles exist?”
I would view that as a piece of evidence in favor of bubbles. But if it crashed from $30,000 to $50, that would not be evidence that it was a bubble, as the call was made when it was $30. I’ve done posts on this misunderstanding.
“If so then what events would persuade you to change your mind about bubbles ?”
The best evidence would be if stock mutual funds that invested based on bubble theories began consistently outperforming index funds.
I’d want evidence that bubble predictions were reliable, not just due to luck. Systematic evidence.
Richard W Fulmer
Aug 11 2023 at 8:22pm
Here’s a bit from an article in the New York Post from August 10:
The writer is Desmond Lachman, a senior fellow with the American Enterprise Institute and a former deputy director in the International Monetary Fund’s Policy Development and Review Department.
What term, if not “bubble,” would you use to describe “many millions of unoccupied dwellings”? Cases of overinvestment do exist. I’m not particular about terms, but labelling real phenomena provides us with a convenient way in which to refer to them.
Thomas L Hutcheson
Aug 14 2023 at 9:43am
I think one should call them “bad investments.” I don’t see how the word “bubble” helps.
Richard W Fulmer
Aug 14 2023 at 11:38am
The benefit of the word “bubble” is that it evokes the idea that bad investments tend – at least in free market economies – to be ephemeral.
Rajat
Aug 11 2023 at 11:10pm
I liked the title of the post too – teenage memories of the 1980s…
I was mulling this post and although I agree with your broader claim that bubbles don’t exist (and also with your Moneyillusion post, as well as all the previous ones), I had some discomfort with your example here. I think my discomfort stems from the line – which I also 100% agree with – that:
True. But your 99-1 example hinges on all the assets someone invests in having this ‘potential’. But ex ante, we of course do not know this. All we have is a bunch of assets that Tyler (or someone) considers substantially overvalued. As you know, people have been saying this about residential property in many countries. So, what if someone in 2013 invested $30 in 100 assets, including many ‘stodgier’ assets like Sydney property (in a bubble since 2003, according to The Economist) and ‘speculative’ assets like Bitcoin, except not the real Bitcoin but some pale imitation. Yes, the $30 in Sydney property would have doubled to $60 by 2023, but as the other 99 assets went to zero, the investor would have lost 98% of their money. Would that make Tyler right and you wrong? I think if we knew ex ante which assets had the potential to go up 1,000 times and just compared value changes as between those, the example would work. The problem is we don’t, and most people would view your respective positions the way I have, which puts substantial weight on the hit rate of a person’s predictions.
I was trying to think if my intuitions would let me agree with your argument if we somehow weighted the amounts invested in each asset according to an ideal ‘market portfolio’. For example, assume that in 2013, the Tokyo property market or the Nikkei 225 were positioned as they were in early 1990. Over the next 10 years, assume they dropped 60%. Also assume that my mythical market portfolio in 2013 consisted of 99.9% Tokyo property and Nikkei 225 stocks, and 0.1% of 99 Bitcoin-type assets, which subsequently all increased 1000-times. If my maths is correct, $100 invested in this portfolio in 2013 would be worth just under $50 today. Now, it’s true that with some solid self-promotion, Tyler could probably make himself look like a prophet with his bubble predictions – after all, anyone shorting the market portfolio on his advice over this period would have made good money. But I don’t think anyone who looked closely at his record would be convinced – he simply got too many things wrong (and, making Tyler’s self-promoting job harder, there would be plenty of Bitcoin billionaires to say so). I think my considered reaction would be “Tyler just got lucky”.
Scott Sumner
Aug 12 2023 at 12:03am
Rajat, There are two issues here that need to be clearly separated:
What data point counts as one piece of evidence for or against the EMH?
Might that data point have been due to luck?
A series of calls that would have led to a poor investment outcome would not count as evidence that markets are inefficient in any obvious way. But of course markets might be inefficient, and your failure to come up with a successful investment plan might have been due to bad luck.
Conversely, a series of calls that led to an excellent investment outcome would count as one piece of evidence that markets are inefficient. But again, that might have been due to good luck.
In the end, you’d look for systematic evidence in this area, not just one piece of data. Thus do mutual funds that invest based on bubble theory consistently outperform index funds?
Certainly my example was rather artificial, and works best if the 99 bad assets were as highly speculative as Bitcoin. If someone got 99 consecutive shorts correct in stodgy assets like GE, Ford and Boeing, then I’d be really impressed!
MarkW
Aug 12 2023 at 8:05am
What you’re arguing is that risky bets are risky. People see the potential for great wealth in a new company, so they buy in. Other people follow suit and the prices per-share grow and grow even before there are any profits. What happens? Most of the time the company fails and people lose their money. But sometimes a ‘[bubble’ company apparently headed for a crash eventually turns into Amazon or Tesla instead instead of Pets.com or WeWork. People funding these kinds of companies lose most of their bets…but end up making money overall. But pundits who called these companies ‘bubble stocks’ turn out to be right most of the time and can claim a great track record.
Scott Sumner
Aug 12 2023 at 1:53pm
Yes, but their “claims” are useless. Why would anyone care what they think?
MarkW
Aug 12 2023 at 3:51pm
Because people are fooled by the track records? People pay attention to the pundits’ number of correct vs incorrect predictions rather than whether or or not investors would have made more money following their advice.
Dylan
Aug 12 2023 at 8:15am
Scott,
How do you feel about the people that called the “bubble” in Chinese growth stocks after doing deep investigative research and realizing that many of the companies barely existed and that the numbers in their filings had to be made up?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Hustle
Scott Sumner
Aug 12 2023 at 1:52pm
I’d never claim that research into companies is of zero value. On the other hand, bubble theories imply that a stock is overvalued even given public information that is widely known. That’s the claim I doubt.
People tend to recall their correct predictions and forget their incorrect predictions.
Dylan
Aug 12 2023 at 3:47pm
Sure, I’m with Yogi Berra about the difficulty with predictions and I try to avoid making them. I think that is where we differ, in that you think talking about a bubble is only valuable if it is a forward looking and accurate prediction. I disagree with that entirely. I think it can be useful to talk about potential bubbles while they are happening, but also to study bubbles after the fact when we can say with greater certainty that something was or was not a bubble, and try to understand why.
If you invested in NASDAQ at the 2000 peak, you’ve only had a 4% CAGR over 23 years. It took 15 years before you even nominally broke even. It seems fair to me to say, from the perspective of today, that this was certainly a bubble, even if some of the companies in that bubble did phenomenally well. If you had bought and held the index over that time, your opportunity costs were huge. I almost did just that. I had a windfall come in during the spring of 2000 and needed to put it somewhere. All the talk of the bubble made me hold off and buy a CD instead. (I still lost a ton of money when the bubble burst, just not new money)
In the post above, you say recessions are recognizable in real time, but then say except for the data lag, which I think is crucial. Way more decisions are made on the basis of predictions of are we about to or are we currently in a recession vs. is such and such a bubble. The fact that no one can predictably and accurately forecast recessions ahead of time, doesn’t mean the idea is useless.
Scott Sumner
Aug 13 2023 at 6:33pm
“If you invested in NASDAQ at the 2000 peak, you’ve only had a 4% CAGR over 23 years”
This is almost never a useful comparison. Imagine a 100% efficient market, by assumption. Then look at the return from the all-time most extreme price (relative to trend) to the current price. It will almost always appear somewhat subpar. Apples and oranges.
Might be more meaningful to compare the current price to the average price in 1999, or the average price in 2000.
spencer
Aug 12 2023 at 10:17am
Predictions aren’t based on “bubbles”.
zshu223
Aug 12 2023 at 11:08am
“…we don’t know how to evaluate whether people have done a good job at predicting.”
What do you make of Phil Tetlock’s research? Quality? Suspect? I believe Tyler’s a fan of Phil, generally, or is at least intrigued (he did a good CWT podcast with him in 2018 or 2019).
Scott Sumner
Aug 12 2023 at 1:52pm
I haven’t read his book.
TGGP
Aug 12 2023 at 11:14am
I wished it placed MORE weight on predictions, which distinguish between experts and “experts”. As it is pundits are explicitly NOT chosen for predictive accuracy, and their employers are aware of that, expecting they would lose readers if they aimed for accuracy rather than entertainment. Your idea about total returns is a good one, but right now our society isn’t even keeping track of whether Tyler is getting 99 right out of 100. People like Scott Alexander & Matthew Yglesias who track their yearly predictions, including publicizing the ones they got wrong, are highly atypical.
Scott Sumner
Aug 12 2023 at 1:48pm
There are areas where tracking predictions may make sense, but predicting business cycle turning points or asset price returns are not in that group.
Thomas L Hutcheson
Aug 12 2023 at 5:12pm
To evaluate a prediction we need to know both the model being used and the predicted exogenous variables that drive the model results. “Oil prices will go up” is a useless prediction. “If Putin invades Ukraine, oil pries will go up” is useful.
Ditto predictions of inflation/recession w/o being explicit about what Fed policy one expects.
Monte
Aug 12 2023 at 8:21pm
A bit off topic, but (speaking of mythical entities) I’d be interested in your thoughts on the ever-elusive Giffen good, the Bigfoot of economics. Some have claimed that cryptocurrencies like bitcoin behave like a Giffen.
Perhaps you could post on this sometime in the (not too distant) future. Thanks!
Thomas L Hutcheson
Aug 13 2023 at 10:50am
What is the policy implication of believing that the market price of X at time “t” is a bubble? Very little as I can see so why argue about it? Now if we are talking about the Fed deviating from FAIT because there is a “bubble” in market X, then I sort of agree. Even there, the implication is just to stick to FAIT, “bubble” or no “bubble.”
Roger McKinney
Aug 15 2023 at 10:51am
Good points! Good investors usually do poorly when measured against percentage returns of the S&P 500, especially in bull markets, abd everyone laughs at them. Then their actual dollar returns are much better than the market’s because they hedge against bear markets and lose less in them.
Which would you rather have, a record of beating the percentage changes in the market, or more money?
Roger McKinney
Aug 15 2023 at 10:54am
PS, EMH is a long term view while bubble talk is short term. It’s the popping of bubbles that makes EMH true.
James Strickland
Aug 15 2023 at 12:07pm
Bloomberg appears to be wrong but keep in mind that:1) Bloomberg said recession was to occur within a year, in October 2022: we still have two months.2) A recession may have occurred already, or may have started, and we don’t know it yet: the data must be measured first. I suggest giving things another year prior to crucifying Bloomberg’s economics team.
Ted Durant
Aug 16 2023 at 9:24pm
I think your definition of bubble doesn’t match up with the definition that most other people have in mind. My definition of a bubble is a societal mania in which large numbers of people who otherwise would not purchase an item start purchasing it in speculation that they will be able to later sell it at a profit that represents excess returns. In other words, there is a massive shift in demand explained by no more than speculation. It is especially helpful if the supply of the item is inelastic, as this helps create extreme price movements. Not all bubbles necessarily pop, as the expectations of those people, over the relevant time period, may turn out to be true.
Sometimes the thing of value is nothing new or extraordinary … shares of stock or single-family real estate … and we have reasonable models of fundamental value from which we can predict a return to trend. I spent 25 years forecasting home prices and my comment in 2006 was “it’s a question of when, not a question of if.” You’ve said elsewhere that the return of home prices to their peaks validates your view, but I disagree. The trend is still there, and prices are still moving around that trend, following the “Newtonian physics” of real estate valuation. The very best historical predictor of losses in mortgage insurance in a geographic area is the ratio of per-capita income to home prices in that area at the time of origination of the insured mortgages, relative to the long-term average of that ratio.
Other times the thing of value is new or extraordinary, and nobody has any idea if the thing has, or might in the future have some fundamental value. Bitcoin, for example, or leveraged CDO^2 in 2007. We know how the latter turned out; the former is still out there waiting for someone to discover a use that establishes value beyond speculation.
Eric Schoenberg
Aug 17 2023 at 9:43am
Your claim that “bubbles do not exist” is clearly not true in laboratory settings, where over 30 years of experimental asset market research has shown that bubbles are both common and hard to eliminate. Even Nobel laureate Vernon Smith has observed that his research showing that markets have a remarkable ability to “find the right price” for end-use goods does not apply in markets that offer the opportunity for resale, like financial goods:
Inoua, Sabiou M., and Vernon L. Smith. “Perishable goods versus re-tradable assets: A theoretical reappraisal of a fundamental dichotomy.” Handbook of Experimental Finance. Edward Elgar Publishing, 2022. 162-171.
dmm
Aug 17 2023 at 4:45pm
I won’t comment on bubbles, but I have a question about your thought experiment. Wouldn’t it be fairer to compare returns assuming that short positions were taken on all the ‘bubbles’ rather than simply refraining from buying? I ask this without knowing whether it would help your argument or not.
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